Russia RUSSIA 2019 - Sergey Lazarev - Scream

[Alaska49]

can we discuss "oooh common" though? unintentional but perfect shade of the georgian jury. common indeed, sergey. A+. you read them to filth. he's giving the gays all the representation we want.

 

[crashworld]

I can't believe it went to top 3. I was expecting just a top 10. Guess Sergey's popularity is pretty much in tact. A mediocre song like this certainly does not deserve the no. 3 placing.

 

[A-lister]

I can't believe it went to top 3. I was expecting just a top 10. Guess Sergey's popularity is pretty much in tact. A mediocre song like this certainly does not deserve the no. 3 placing.

Russian diaspora, political allies and deals with certain "small countries"?

I don't think Sergey is that popular, nor the song as it was pretty much a non-event... who in Sweden or Spain even knows who Sergey is who isn't some sort of hardcore ESC fan? no one

 

[Realest]

This Song would still be Top10 for any other Country.

 

[A-lister]

This Song would still be Top10 for any other Country.

 

[Realest]

Please learn to difffer between your own Taste and the Reality. Russia got 212 Points more than the 11th Place.

https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/grand-final/results/russia

Televotes from 30 Countries including 12 Points from :albanianmarino: 10 from :cyprus: 8 from :greece: etc.. without having Diaspora there. And Jurypoints from 23 Countries. This Song obviously had a broader Appeal to both Votinggroups. Obviously not only Russians outside voted for it.

 

[DenizESC]

Boring, basic

 

[A-lister]

Please learn to difffer between your own Taste and the Reality. Russia got 212 Points more than the 11th Place.

https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/grand-final/results/russia

Televotes from 30 Countries including 12 Points from :albanianmarino: 10 from :cyprus: 8 from :greece: etc.. without having Diaspora there. And Jurypoints from 23 Countries. This Song obviously had a broader Appeal to both Votinggroups. Obviously not only Russians outside voted for it.

I know how to differ alright?, and this coming from a "less fortunate" country without the diaspora, without the political allies and without the jury tampering, would even struggle to make it out of the semi I think... but hey, if you genuinely believe this was universally loved or something, that's your right to have your own opinion as well as I will keep on having mine.

Cyprus is a safe haven for Russian oligarchs and Greece is a Russian puppet... and San Marino jury has always been shady and under influence it seems ... your examples didn't really prove any point tbh

 

[Realest]

I know how to differ right, and this coming from a "less fortunate" country without the diaspora, without the political allies and without the jury tampering would even struggle to make it out of the semi... but hey, if you genuinely believe this was universally loved or something, that's your your right to have your own opinion as well as I will keep on having mine.

Cyprus is a safe haven for Russian oligarchs and Greece is a Russian puppet... and San Marino jury has always been shady and under influence it seems ... your examples didn't really prove any point tbh

Oh Boy, Your Mathematic-Teacher should be fired cause he failed completely. You definitely need to repeat a few Lessons .

So Cypriot and Greek People are not allowed to like Scream without being accused of being political? People from Estonia, Belarus who know him since years are not allowed to vote for him without being accused to be political?. And by the Way where are your Proofs that had a Jurydeal with (not to forget that I talked about their TV btw.). I agree that Russia is unfairly advantaged, but you cant say every single Point was political. Even in the Semi all 20 Countries voted for him (and 16 Juries), now tell me that he wasnt universally liked.

 

[A-lister]

Oh Boy, Your Mathematic-Teacher should be fired cause he failed completely. You definitely need to repeat a few Lessons .

So Cypriot and Greek People are not allowed to like Scream without being accused of being political? People from Estonia, Belarus who know him since years are not allowed to vote for him without being accused to be political?. And by the Way where are your Proofs that had a Jurydeal with (not to forget that I talked about their TV btw.). I agree that Russia is unfairly advantaged, but you cant say every single Point was political. Even in the Semi all 20 Countries voted for him (and 16 Juries), now tell me that he wasnt universally liked.

No need to be rude because you disagree with my opinion? If that's going to be your tactic, there is nothing more to discuss... I know my math well enough thank you, this has nothing to do with it.

Yes, people can like it as much as they want, I just don't believe this non-event of song/performance would made the same if it was for instance or , now you can believe whatever you want that all if fair in this game, that all juries are non-corrupt and that politics and diaspora has no influence... that's your prerogative. Now I wasn't a fan of their 2016 entry either, but I admit that at least I can see some general appeal there and "get" the results to some extent, not so much with this entry though and it has nothing to do with my taste... did you even watch the semi? you could feel that this was such a non-event...

Belarus is mini Russia and Estonia has 30% Russian diaspora... again your examples don't work... also should add the song was co-written / co-produced by a Greek which also helped to gain Greek and Cypriot votes for sure...

 

[Realest]

No need to be rude because you disagree with my opinion? If that's going to be your tactic, there is nothing more to discuss... I know my math well enough thank you, this has nothing to do with it.

Yes, people can like it as much as they want, I just don't believe this non-event of song/performance would made the same if it was for instance or , now you can believe whatever you want that all if fair in this game, that all juries are non-corrupt and that politics and diaspora has no influence... that's your prerogative. Now I wasn't a fan of their 2016 entry either, but I admit that at least I can see some general appeal there and "get" the results to some extent, not so much with this entry though and it has nothing to do with my taste... did you even watch the semi? you could feel that this was such a non-event...

Belarus is mini Russia and Estonia has 30% Russian diaspora... again your examples don't work...

I never said that their Ddiaspora has no Influence, but we dont know how many Point Estonia and Belarus would have given if we delete the Votes from the Russians there. You forgot his local Fame and it is very likely that he would still get 8-12 even without their Help. Diaspora can only help ending up a few Positions better, but not turning a Non-Qualifier to a 3rd Placer!!!!! And I never said that all Juries are non-corrupt, but there is absolutely no Sign which indicates that Russia is somehow involved. You in the Opposite think that every High Point to Russia from the Juries is automatically corrupt instead of thinking that some people actually really liked it and awarded the Professionality only because you dislike the Entry. And yes, I watched the Semi and know that even his Juryvote alone was enough to qualify. I

 

[A-lister]

I never said that their Ddiaspora has no Influence, but we dont know how many Point Estonia and Belarus would have given if we delete the Votes from the Russians there. You forgot his local Fame and it is very likely that he would still get 8-12 even without their Help. Diaspora can only help ending up a few Positions better, but not turning a Non-Qualifier to a 3rd Placer!!!!! And I never said that all Juries are non-corrupt, but there is absolutely no Sign which indicates that Russia is somehow involved. You in the Opposite think that every High Point to Russia from the Juries is automatically corrupt instead of thinking that some people actually really liked it and awarded the Professionality only because you dislike the Entry. And yes, I watched the Semi and know that even his Juryvote alone was enough to qualify. I

Well, let's just agree to disagree... as far as Russian diaspora voting goes, you know very well that some diaspora vote blindly nationalistic and they tend to always award high points to their motherland regardless if the act is known or not and regardless of the song... and you know that Belarus 12 to Russia each year is almost as given as Cyp-Gre exchange so nothing to be surprised about.

Well, I still don't think this would have made it this far if it had been sent for some other countries, but that's my opinion.

 

[Realest]

Well, I still don't think this would have made it this far if it had been sent for some other countries, but that's my opinion.

This is where I agreed actually.

 

[A-lister]

This is where I agreed actually.

Hmm, wasn't your whole point that this was liked because of the song and that the country didn't influence the outcome at all? Or maybe I missed something?

 

[Realest]

Hmm, wasn't your whole point that this was liked because of the song and that the country didn't influence the outcome at all? Or maybe I missed something?

I said it would still be Top10, since the Song obviously had a broader Appeal like I said and it was more than 200 Points Difference. But of Course Sergey, was pushed a bit (but not from Nonqualifier to 3rd Place like you claim), because of his Origin.

 

[A-lister]

I said it would still be Top10, since the Song obviously had a broader Appeal like I said and it was more than 200 Points Difference. But of Course Sergey, was pushed a bit (but not from Nonqualifier to 3rd Place like you claim), because of his Origin.

Ok, so iyho, where do you think this would have ended had it been representing let's say or ?

I think it might have failed to qualify, but I can't say that for certain and this is all speculative anyways since we can only guess based on our general impression of the song/performance and our understanding of voting patterns and other factors in ESC.

 

[Realest]

Ok, so iyho, where do you think this would have ended had it been representing let's say or ?

I think it might have failed to qualify, but I can't say that for certain and this is all speculative anyways since we can only guess based on our general impression of the song/performance and our understanding of voting patterns and other factors in ESC.

Lower Top10 most likely. All Televoters voted for it in the Semi and only 5 or 6 had russian Population + 14 Juries and you cant say all of them voted because theyre russophile. And also the "neutral" Points were more then the Points from the 11th-Placer in the Final.

 

[A-lister]

Lower Top10 most likely. All Televoters voted for it in the Semi and only 5 or 6 had russian Population + 14 Juries and you cant say all of them voted because theyre russophile. And also the "neutral" Points were more then the Points from the 11th-Placer in the Final.

Ok, well, I guess we will never know will we ?

 

[Milos-BC]

Although I had it in my top 5 prior to the contest, the impression has worn off significantly after the semi, and 3rd place is waaay too overrated. Top 10 would've been deserved but nothing more than that. There was no honesty here at all, everything had the vibe of "let's win by using brute force". Luckily, that didn't happen, but still higher than he should've been.


He can thank the fact that the differences between the televoting and the jury voting were so astronomical. That's what gave him this position.

 

[Alaska49]

Diaspora can only help ending up a few Positions better, but not turning a Non-Qualifier to a 3rd Placer!!!!!

And I never said that all Juries are non-corrupt, but there is absolutely no Sign which indicates that Russia is somehow involved. You in the Opposite think that every High Point to Russia from the Juries is automatically corrupt instead of thinking that some people actually really liked it and awarded the Professionality only because you dislike the Entry.

i am SO glad to witness actual character development in this board #blessed #proudbytamaratodevska