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EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

Etanna

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are we getting the split results or what? I want to go to bed but I feel like I have to know who just missed out on the final

Edit: thanks @NeoTen
 

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You guys …. Poland is actually the country with the most public points from semi 2. Bet she won the semi … Imma pee myself.
 

Ajeje Brazorf

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Over a 170 points for this :it: song from the televoters? I’m sorry but you must be kidding me. Usually :it: deserves it but not today. This is the most cliche italo ballad in history.

So, Käärja deserved to win because it had the best televote, but Marco didn't deserved to be 4th with a high televote aswell... I don't really understand...

Let's just say, you don't like Due Vite, others liked it better and voted for it. So, the result is fair. It even amassed nearly the same jury and televote points, so it is even fairier... Who will be voted will always deserve, no matter what our favourites are. For example, I'm shooked to see Croatia and Poland so high with the Televoting, but I admit they have songs capable of being televoters Guilty pleasures. So they actually had some qualities in them and deserved their points.
 

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Over a 170 points for this :it: song from the televoters?

Honestly I thought it would be more. :ROFLMAO:Public always loves Italy. I voted for Marco myself. It’s usually the juries who Italyis flopping with but surprisingly not today… or maybe not so surprised because we all know juries vote for middle in the road lame songs. (I love Italy because I love that kind of standard Italian ballad - but I see why some ppl don’t like it or find it boring)
 
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Final thoughts. Congratulations to Loreen for a professional performance of a competently-written song.

It's all subjective, I know, but this feels like the first time in a while that we've got the wrong winner. By that, I mean a song that doesn't advance the contest in any way like the previous winners...

2014 - Conchita. No notes necessary
2015 - Måns marries song and staging and takes it all up a level
2016 - Jamala mixes tradition and modern, and beats Russia too
2017 - a beautifully written Portuguese-language ballad
2018 - an in-your-face pro-feminine banger
2019 - a classic bit of balladry with a great hook
2021 - Måneskin. Need I say more?
2022 - Kalush again combine tradition and modern. No English either
2023 - Erm... The cliché of "stuck on me like a tattoo" wheeled out over some standard Swedish pop

Maybe we've just been spoiled lately. But I will finish with this (and it's not an original question): is Tattoo really better than Hold me Closer?

I wrote this back in February when I first heard Tattoo.

I respect her performance abilities, but I don't want a clichee and outdated 2000 song to win the contest because it doesn't add up anything to the contest nor does it advance contest's reputation.

This is typical combined Jury + Old Bubble winner.

And The Bubble lately lost it really. They lost it in 2021 already when they were snatching prior to the Grand Final a competitor like Maneskin who in matter of months became most popular rock band in the world winning MTV awards, becoming Grammy nominee, packing sport stadiums and arenas worldwide with fans.

With my due respect to Northern Europe, maybe Loreen is a great star of Scandinavia, but so is Lepa Brena here in the South and you don't know who's she.

Loreen couldn't fill in Zagreb a small handball team's arena or a night club.

So this is not the right winner.

Therefore I'm not furious about Finland losing, rather about the fact that Sweden won with this song and with Loreen
 
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First Semi Final - Total points

152nd half Finland Finland KäärijäCha Cha Cha177
112nd half Sweden Sweden LoreenTattoo135
92nd half Israel Israel Noa KirelUnicorn127
132nd half Czechia Czechia VesnaMy Sister's Crown110
102nd half Moldova Moldova Pasha ParfeniSoarele şi Luna109
11st half Norway Norway AlessandraQueen of Kings102
82nd half Switzerland Switzerland Remo ForrerWatergun97
71st half Croatia Croatia Let 3Mama ŠČ!76
51st half Portugal Portugal MimicatAi Coração74
31st half Serbia Serbia Luke BlackSamo Mi Se Spava37
41st half Latvia Latvia Sudden LightsAijā34
61st half Ireland Ireland Wild YouthWe Are One10
142nd half Netherlands Netherlands Mia Nicolai & Dion CooperBurning Daylight7
122nd half Azerbaijan Azerbaijan TuralTuranXTell Me More4
21st half Malta Malta The BuskerDance (Our Own Party)3

 

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Before I say anything else I'll have you know Loreen wasn't even in my top 5 so I say this because I'm sick of hearing it every year, not cause I am some sort of fanboy.

Anyway, I wish people could stop this. Trying to claim that she's not worthy or this being "not ok" is cringe af, people act like whiny kids. Not having your favorite win or getting annoyed by Sweden frequently being favored by the jury does not make her unworthy. Many try to frame it as a jury problem but I bet you half of the people complaining wouldn't be mad if the roles were reversed and Finland won with jury votes.

Finland was 4th with the juries. How can you claim they got "screwed over by juries"? Loreen was 2nd with the public vote and yet it's somehow unworthy? Give me a break. I would understand your frustration if Loreen was very unpopular with the public but won the jury vote, but this was absolutely not the case. At the end of the day, the jury system is what Eurovision has always used and it's part of the core concept. The victory is deserved cause Loreen did well in both parts of the voting, saying it's not is just nonsense.

That being said, I do think 50% of the votes belonging to the jury is too much and I wish they would change it to 1/3 instead. And I actually did prefer Cha Cha Cha over Tattoo, but my main favorites were Austria and Australia!

PS. Nothing personal, but it gets old. Much love :)
This was a two horse race from the beginning. Period. Everyone knew.

The juries killed one of the horses, while trying to ilude people with that fair 4th place (with a 200 gap margin lol). Some fell for it. Most didn't.

This is what people here are complaining about.
 

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Ireland 12th
 

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I was thinking, maybe we can catch up with Estonia in the televote, but I forgot we opened the running
Yeah, but it still was such a BANGER! I was so sure that people would appreciate it more.... Before tonight I wasn't convinced, but now I can truly admit - running order screwed Austria's final position big time!
 
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