EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[dogmeat]

But the ranking is made by counting jury and viewer votes is it not? So why would jury points make one unworthy?

Look, if the ranking was alphabetical, would that make Albania the rightful winner? I guess so, but it wouldn't make an exciting show.
We all know what the rules are, and it's these rules we're criticising. It's not just about Kaarija, most of us have been strongly against jury vote for years. I'm not saying to redo the whole voting, what's done is done. I'm voicing my displeasure, and hoping that this will change some year. Right now you have majority of Eurovision fans feel bitter after what is supposed to be a night of joy and celebration. That's not right.

 

[Grinch]

Anyways, this contest is a circus. I'm going to bed

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

During jury voting, we've seen some potential cooperations between Poland and few other countries.

Can't wait for semifinal's results, how much we exchanged with Romania

This is true, a hiccup song like Solo shouldn't have had a single jury point.

 

[midnightsun]

Well of course I am happy for second best result of our Eurovision history. But public wanting to Finland win (also 2019 Norway) is big disappoiment.

And Italy 2015 (and I say it as someone who prefers Sweden 2015 but it should be the voice of the public that matters)

 

[MooseShoes]

Final thoughts. Congratulations to Loreen for a professional performance of a competently-written song.

It's all subjective, I know, but this feels like the first time in a while that we've got the wrong winner. By that, I mean a song that doesn't advance the contest in any way like the previous winners...

2014 - Conchita. No notes necessary
2015 - Måns marries song and staging and takes it all up a level
2016 - Jamala mixes tradition and modern, and beats Russia too
2017 - a beautifully written Portuguese-language ballad
2018 - an in-your-face pro-feminine banger
2019 - a classic bit of balladry with a great hook
2021 - Måneskin. Need I say more?
2022 - Kalush again combine tradition and modern. No English either
2023 - Erm... The cliché of "stuck on me like a tattoo" wheeled out over some standard Swedish pop

Maybe we've just been spoiled lately. But I will finish with this (and it's not an original question): is Tattoo really better than Hold me Closer?

 

[ollibox]

You really are "wtf" about the only two classic ballads of the year? You know, not all the viewers and jurors are uptempo lovers. Sometimes you need some songs like Estonia and Italy too, because an all ballady Eurovision may be boring, but an all uptempo will be too. I'm honestly not surprised they did well, expecially with the Juries, because they stood out in a mix of "in your face" performances.

I think he meant it the other way around. Didn't you, @aef?

 

[Ezio]

This was designed from Melfest to this moment to let Sweden have their desperate 7th win and to host in the anniversary year of ABBA

 

[PlasticToad]

Man, I was hoping both Loreen and Kaarija would flop somehow so we wouldn't get the inevitable salt from either/both sides for the next 5 weeks. If only Slovenia had won like they truly deserved.

Jk, I'm not really upset about any of tonight's results (other than Slovenia. I know it's a hard flag to get people to vote for, but 21st... man. )

Poland coming 8th in televote will at least provide me with enough laughs to get me through until next Eurovision. Chick flick villainess queen

 

[Decayingbooks]

We need juries, but without bias and affiliation towards without record labels. No record label "colleague" should vote for another. What are the compliance rules and where is the oversight?

They could easily make it 10 instead 5 judges and it would be less biased

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

This is true, a hiccup song like Solo shouldn't have had a single jury point.

It shouldn't even have the 8th biggest televote though...

 

[Ezio]

Me too! 1999 was the first infurriating victory that I witnessed. It felt so wrong and the song was also terrible.

Im still viscerally angry at Selma not winning Eurovision 1999 an event that happened when I was three years old, people never calm down

 

[MopManMoss]

This was designed from Melfest to this moment to let Sweden have their desperate 7th win and to host in the anniversary year of ABBA

Dont worry dearest ezio Ireland now sharing most wins and double winner will wake ireland up and actually start trying again, RTE are definitely going to start caring now RIGHT

 

[aef]

You really are "wtf" about the only two classic ballads of the year? You know, not all the viewers and jurors of Eurovision are uptempo lovers. Sometimes you need some songs like Estonia and Italy too, because an all ballady Eurovision may be boring, but an all uptempo will be too. I'm honestly not surprised they did well, expecially with the Juries, because they stood out in a mix of "in your face" performances.

Over a 170 points for this song from the televoters? I’m sorry but you must be kidding me. Usually deserves it but not today. This is the most cliche italo ballad in history.

 

[ollibox]

Oh, I had so many WTF moments, don't know from where to begin

For example, really embarrassing situation, told my gf that Austria's going to get A LOT of points from televote. Yeah...

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Final thoughts. Congratulations to Loreen for a professional performance of a competently-written song.

It's all subjective, I know, but this feels like the first time in a while that we've got the wrong winner. By that, I mean a song that doesn't advance the contest in any way like the previous winners...

2014 - Conchita. No notes necessary
2015 - Måns marries song and staging and takes it all up a level
2016 - Jamala mixes tradition and modern, and beats Russia too
2017 - a beautifully written Portuguese-language ballad
2018 - an in-your-face pro-feminine banger
2019 - a classic bit of balladry with a great hook
2021 - Måneskin. Need I say more?
2022 - Kalush again combine tradition and modern. No English either
2023 - Erm... The cliché of "stuck on me like a tattoo" wheeled out over some standard Swedish pop

Maybe we've just been spoiled lately. But I will finish with this (and it's not an original question): is Tattoo really better than Hold me Closer?

Nope. Not as a song. As a package yes, as a song Hold me Closer is better.

 

[Slabsson79]

This is true, a hiccup song like Solo shouldn't have had a single jury point.

True. Good songs with štucavica only come from Croatia. 1987

 

[MopManMoss]

Dont worry dearest ezio Ireland now sharing most wins and double winner will wake ireland up and actually start trying again, RTE are definitely going to start caring now RIGHT

I have once again posted the wrong video im not sure if this is better or worse than the mayonnaise on an escalator video

 

[MooseShoes]

Nope. Not as a song. As a package yes, as a song Hold me Closer is better.

Why as a package? Staging?

(I respect your difference of opinion, of course, but I'm genuinely curious about why you say that.)

 

[Ezio]

Oh, I had so many WTF moments, don't know from where to begin

For example, really embarrassing situation, told my gf that Austria's going to get A LOT of points from televote. Yeah...

I was thinking, maybe we can catch up with Estonia in the televote, but I forgot we opened the running

 

[NeoTen]

Where??

Results of the First Semi-Final of Liverpool 2023 - Eurovision Song Contest

Official website of the Eurovision Song Contest. The latest news, photos, videos, participant info, voting results, the Contest's rich history and much more.

eurovision.tv

The bookies in Liverpool are scrambling to put a complete list. I'll post the full list here once I'm done.
EBU refuses to do it, half the staff is "partying" now is the unofficial explanation.