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Do we have a Q Pop/Q Toi thread on this forum?
Let the annual sessions start of me sharing QazaQ bops proving u why ESC doesn't even deserve Qazaqstan !!
Today: my OM entry
Simply astounding the amount of Kazakh-phobia gate-keeping in other forum.
As much as you may be right, the EBU has no leg to stand on given they have invited them to Junior Eurovision again and again and have seen the positive impact they've had on the contest there.I may have tracked down a possible reason Kazakhstan hasn't been allowed in. I don't think this is common knowledge, so I've posted this. Sorry for getting a bit bureaucratic here...
At first I thought there was a total double standard because Australia is in but isn't part of geographical Europe, unlike Kazakhstan, but like Kazakstan both are only an associate member of the European Broadcasting Union and isn't in the European Broadcasting Area (being a requirement for full EBU membership).
This seemed to be an even greater double standard when I found out about Armenia having been able to make their Eurovision debut in 2006 before Armenia became part of the European Broadcasting Area in 2007.
It turns out there is there is another way to be a full EBU member. Armenia could debut without being part of the European Broadcasting Area because they were part of an organisation whose members are eligible for full members (and so an Armenian broadcaster became a full EBU member in 2005).
Full membership of the EBU requires being a part of the European Broadcasting Area OR being a member of the Council of Europe, which Armenia joined in 2001.
Kazakhstan is not part of the European Broadcasting Area and is also not a member of the Council of Europe and so fails on both counts. The difference with Australia is Kazakhstan has failed to meet the standards of membership, while Australia does meet those standards but just aren't geographically eligible to join.
So if there's some rule-based reason the EBU uses to justify not letting them in maybe it has to do with that, much as I would disagree. They're good to go for JESC, after all...
and let's not lie to ourselves: the EBU needs as many participants as possible. with belarus gone, they'll do everything to get back to 40+ participantsAs much as you may be right, the EBU has no leg to stand on given they have invited them to Junior Eurovision again and again and have seen the positive impact they've had on the contest there.
It's only a matter of time before they join I feel, I just hope the EBU sees sense in 2022. Their hands may be tied if anyone else decides to quit or if nobody comes back.
I didn't know that Ukraine got invited. Just looked it up! Interesting! A pity, the EBU didn't let Albania enter, though. It seems that they have always been quite reluctant to accepting new countries of a "special type".i'm pretty sure that they'll be inviting kazakhstan à la ukraine 2003 to end up with 26 countries in the gf
Yeah! Like Liechtenstein.I didn't know that Ukraine got invited. Just looked it up! Interesting! A pity, the EBU didn't let Albania enter, though. It seems that they have always been quite reluctant to accepting new countries of a "special type".
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+ I don't think Armenia or Hungary will be back either since none of them broadcast the show this year
I didn't know that Ukraine got invited. Just looked it up! Interesting! A pity, the EBU didn't let Albania enter, though. It seems that they have always been quite reluctant to accepting new countries of a "special type".
noYeah! Like Liechtenstein.
omg how surprisingYeah I didn't know either! So it turns out EBU has always been all about double standards.
Plus if there are concerns about EBU values, the human right situations of Russia and Kazakhstan are similar enough at least where human rights rankings are concerned and Russia has both been in Eurovision for ages and has hosted).As much as you may be right, the EBU has no leg to stand on given they have invited them to Junior Eurovision again and again and have seen the positive impact they've had on the contest there.
It's only a matter of time before they join I feel, I just hope the EBU sees sense in 2022. Their hands may be tied if anyone else decides to quit or if nobody comes back.
I get your point but it is no longer a rule that a country has to broadcast the previous year, they could still come back if they wish to. I think you're right that it's unlikely+ I don't think Armenia or Hungary will be back either since none of them broadcast the show this year
this rule has been abolished since the relegation system ended (from 2004 onwards?)+ I don't think Armenia or Hungary will be back either since none of them broadcast the show this year