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The best experience was :nl: :de: :es: and :uk: getting all :0: from the public in 2021 :D

I don't mind the juries but I just wish they would stop favouring standard Westernised pop music in English and focus on originality and ethno music as well.

Will an age rule prevent juries from placing songs such as "Shum" outside the Top 9 whilst voting for the most generic ballads like :mk: 2019? - I don't think so... I just hope that the EBU will just ask the juries to vote for their individual Top 10's again (so that they won't place the most interesting songs in their bottom 10 because they can't understand what Eurovision is truly about and prevent political voting like :rs: this year).
 

aeon

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If they keep juries they have to justify each of the 4 criteria in writing how they voted, open for public to see afterwards.
Jurors have to affirm that they have not communicated with other jurors or intermediates to discuss entries.
To become a juror they have understand and respect ESC and assure to be totally impartial and judge songs and performance for its merits as required.

If jurors are from diverse background and follow the rules there will be no results where all 5 agree almost identical on first placings like this year.
However the public who spends money to vote might be just as furious as this year if the overwhelming favourite did get low jury votes. Why should a few music industry people be able to decide placings, it is just wrong. During broadcast educate and appeal to voting public to be fair and to judge entries on its merits would be much better options.
 

StephenMuckle

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The fact that they are taking about potentially scrapping juries makes it look like the EBU are caving into the demands of toxic fans. Like a Eurovision equivalent of Appeasement.

Capcom caved into the toxic fighting game fandom several years ago and he result we got was the disastrous state of Street Fighter V when it launched. Caving into toxic fandom never ends well no matter what the situation is.
 

Romeo

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50/50 is literally the only fair way. The juries need to be vetted better and need to vote a few times and use the average throughout the dress rehearsals / jury final. Only then will we have a realistic result. The votes can be analysed and if a country votes for Jemini 12 points every time.. We will know its not a jury member who is unbias
 

aeon

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100% Televote in a contest where running order is decided by draw is the only fair competition.
Broadcasters to educate that ESC is not limited by European borders and to appeal to vote for songs, not love for a particular country or other reasons. Cost for televote adjusted to price index of country.

A miltinational large jury of music professionals can exclude "joke" entries or performers that cannot sing live or without auto-tune.
This is to happen before the contest starts.

Televote needs to be limited to 5 per person but each is a multivote for top 3 or top 5. This is to reduce a 2 horse race that suck up most votes like this year.

No backing vocals or auto-tune/automatic pitch correction.

NEW: Dance breaks more than 7 seconds not allowed, it's a song contest not a dance contest.
 

aeon

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What happened this year with Loreen bias of jury and media which never should happen again we need to

exclude previous winners of ESC as participants

non winners wait 5 years before entering again

All entries deserve a more level starting position
 

soundofsilence

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The only way I'll accept 50/50 is if the system outright changed
This system has been used for six years before I was born
The way forward is 20-1
And let the jury be 15 members
3-5 should be pop experts and 0-2 should be classical experts
 
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