United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2025 - Remember Monday - What The Hell Just Happened?

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

Double 0s is a stretch I think, Im not expecting a great jury score like some fans ( tbh I think they sound a bit off in parts ), but the entry is kinda cute and inoffensive enough to grab... Idk, some jury points?

 

[theditz83]

I'll say it again - the "vocals first" approach the Beeb have taken this year is all very well, but if your songs is rubbish, then you've basically just wasted some great potential performers. I see a lot of people placing different emphasis on different aspects of entries as their justification for why an entry will be successful, but the overwhelming consensus for us remains getting the song right at the base level.

It is a song contest, but then I feel that we are being held to a different standard since the other hyped entries, while there is praise for strong vocals, have people obsessing over the staging as the "key factor". Great vocals can only get you so far basically, and the BBC needs to make up and #SENDHITS

I dunno, I'm tired, I just feel the overwhelming negativity towards this year will firmly set us back further towards the risk of a 2010s sea of trash again. Anyone have Rina Sawayama's number - all Eurovision fans want to take her out for a slap up meal!

 

[Chrisiam]

Well the running order has sunk them with the Televote. Hopefully they will give a better vocal performance so they at least get something from the judges.

 

[JonasS]

Great vocals and amazing harmonies wasted on repetitive, at times grating song imo.

 

[bstream]

I have been one of the big “vocals first” supporters, but “vocals first” doesn’t mean vocals only.

As for the odds, looks like UK is in a similar spot to this time last year — right outside the top 10 most likely to win, and near/at most likely to lose. I’d assume this means another lower-mid-table finish.

This one is kind of difficult to objectively analyze because it feels authentic, but it doesn’t fall into place in the way I think all parties intended (the artists, the costume designers, whoever conceptualized the staging, and then whoever executed it seem to have been entirely different people working in silos). I think the comparisons to Latvia are correct — Latvia, the other harmonic entry, just works better + the song is more pleasant on the ear.

Difficult one, because you can tell an attempt was made, but the writing is on the wall here and it’s avoidable

 

[Rocket man]

I was glad that Latvia made the final as it is one of my favourites this year, but I have to admit as a patriotic Brit I knew at the same time if Latvia did make the final that that would be a disadvantage for the UK and could take points away from us.

I think the UK has much more effective and powerful harmonies though.

 

[theditz83]

Being 11th in the odds to win is the worst, cos if that's how the countries voted, we'd obviously miss out from every country and get 0.

Think I'd rather be bottom of the odds, with a good selection of avid fans that go against the odds trend (a lovely it or loathe it entry) as then we'd stand a better chance of grabbing some points.

Anyway, I'm sure they'll have fun on the night, and I do think they add a different flavour from everyone else in the final. Whether or not that flavour is to your taste is of course entirely subjective...

 

[Etanna]

Being 11th in the odds to win is the worst, cos if that's how the countries voted, we'd obviously miss out from every country and get 0.

Think I'd rather be bottom of the odds, with a good selection of avid fans that go against the odds trend (a lovely it or loathe it entry) as then we'd stand a better chance of grabbing some points.

Anyway, I'm sure they'll have fun on the night, and I do think they add a different flavour from everyone else in the final. Whether or not that flavour is to your taste is of course entirely subjective...

I don't think that's how the odds should be read, it means that a significant portion of the bettors considers it likely enough that the UK will win. It's definitely not a good sign if your country is at the bottom of the odds.

Although in the case of the UK, I think a lot of patriots and/or randomers around the world bet on the UK defaultly just because it is such a significant country when it comes to the music industry...

 

[Leydan]

I think I can only shadow the sentiment been said. After 2 years of poor singers (Mae can dress it up how she likes on Twitter, but she was bad) the BBC clearly put a huge emphasis on vocals and we got these 3 fantastic girls, who have been so wonderful and a delight to follow. The hate they've personally got has been vile at times but they've made the most and remained positive. However the BBC have then pushed the song to the back burner. I've never connected with that song, and always had issues and actually several interviews have brought up major red flags. The BBC invited a small team of Eurovision songwriters with some success in the far past , Danish , they wrote upwards of 20 songs in around a week , they picked the song title and made the song work around that , they wanted it to be Eurovision . I think part of what made Sam's song work was that it wasn't written for Eurovision, it was just a song. Iirc someone who was in the running posted their song online and it was better than this (going on memory so it don't quite remember). Some things have got better in recent years, but it's still the same BBC. France can pull itself our of the gutter to become a Eurovision powerhouse, Switzerland did the same, Germany potentially is on that path, Netherlands same, yet here we are making the same mistakes.

I hate to be so negative and pile on but i think the writing is on the wall here, and i genuinely fear this could double 0. I hope not and I'm just dooming here, but I've pretty much lost faith at this point.

 

[Rocket man]

The red flag for me was when I listened to their discography. I'm not gonna doom and gloom though because they are great singers and there is a demographic out there that will like "WTHJH," just hope it's enough though.

 

[Chrisiam]

Honestly, I think that the BBC is broadly on the right path, and has been since 2019 (arguably 2018) and they are still trying to find their feet. I the UK was like Luxembourg and they only came back to the contest in 2020 and the acts were of this quality I'd say they were on the right path, and they are just trying to find their feet.

They aren't, so I can't be that kind. But, it is clear they are trying. They have managed to move away from the X-Factor/TV Talent Show finalist song from 2007 feel they had for most of the 2010s. They are getting better at staging. And they are getting better at communicating with fans and doing promotion. Could these things be better? Oh yes! But they are getting better.

At the moment I feel that they need to get out of the "Song for Eurovision" mindset, find artists with a proven track record of being able to sing live (even if they are largely unknowns), work with them to create a good staging for it and if they (with all due respect) lack the knowledge to figure out good staging then work with some Westend Theater company to do it. The UK has always done well when they have shown talented singers and used Eurovision as a platform for them, rather than trying to create a hit themselves.

This song, Embers, and Bigger Than Us were terrible wastes of talented performers.

WTHJH is a song that only works in the studio version and is almost impossible to sing. And is a waste of three bloody talented singers. If they had just done something more like they are used to, we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of a locked-in bottom five. But no, someone in the BBC seems to have decided we need another "Banger" despite that not working now three times on the bounce!

 

[Leydan]

Some people said their cover of Husavik got boring, but I think something along that line would have been a far better and safer for them and I dare say more impactful, but yeah their discography didn't leave much to be desired.

 

[Rocket man]

Some people said their cover of Husavik got boring, but I think something along that line would have been a far better and safer for them and I dare say more impactful, but yeah their discography didn't leave much to be desired.

I thought their performance of "Husavik" was beautiful, really nice. That seemed more authentic to them.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I think zero televote is very likely. It might get a few votes from Malta if it's lucky. I don't see Ireland giving this points. There are too many other better options.
I think with juries it could do a little better and come mid-table.
People just don't seem to like the song, that is the weak link.

 

[Chrisiam]

There is a part of me that can't help but wonder if this song was selected because it could be TikTok friendly; the structure of it doesn't really work as a whole entity but the chorus and parts of the song feel like they'd be good to cut up for some short TikTok video. Like, maybe they were banking this would go viral and it would sell the song and that would get people interested in it. Honestly whilst I like parts of it, the more I listen to it (especially live) it becomes clear that the song just doesn't work.

 

[MopManMoss]

 

[Leydan]

There is a part of me that can't help but wonder if this song was selected because it could be TikTok friendly; the structure of it doesn't really work as a whole entity but the chorus and parts of the song feel like they'd be good to cut up for some short TikTok video. Like, maybe they were banking this would go viral and it would sell the song and that would get people interested in it. Honestly whilst I like parts of it, the more I listen to it (especially live) it becomes clear that the song just doesn't work.

Potentially, they were pushing hard to have the 'What the hell just happened' line as a short online, even held a competition for people to use it and win Eurovision tickets.

 

[toinou03]

I do love the song and I think that they did the most of it. It's not that great however and not very framed for the contest, so it'll probably get lost in the bottom 5... but I do like it !

 

[Rocket man]

Just hope the juries give this love because their harmonies and riffs are absolutely brilliant to listen to.

 

[Milos-BC]

I can only say that their vocals are very good and the harmony is nice. Everything else....not good. Last place tomorrow is very possible, sadly.