(... so maybe this is the) General Discussion Thread

[Loindici]

Well, I can't find the 2024 general discussion thread yet. I'm providing a thread to house it before mods will make one.

You may discuss anything related to the 2024 contest in general.

EDIT: Welp, I guess it has manifested into one. Let's go guys!

 

[Loindici]

So there's no official news on a running draw order? Cos I had a little Facebook memory today and it's a year to the day that the ESC 2023 running order was revealed...

Likely next week, cause I think prop and staging preparations might still be in finalization

 

[njdevils94]

Doubt its true but interesting to think about.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771216733002469533

 

[EscGeek]

Hell no! That 2008-09 system sucked. I'd rather have a 50-50 system back than a few people collectively agreeing that only one song is worth saving.

 

[Bobjan FR]

It's not. Or they wouldn't have wrote this two weeks ago :

 

[han-g]

So, after several months have passed, what do you guys think about the stage design?

Personally, it's okay. I like that it's open and versatile: this could give the acts a lot of room to explore, and the cubes have at least three lighting choices and heights to play with. And maybe, this is also the first time we have an actual stage in the middle of the audience.

The downside, however, is the way this is very Swedish-coded. When you give so much choices to the acts, delegations could overstage or understage it. I'm expecting a lot of acts to get aided with the staging even when their song is lacking, too.

I actually think it could be very limiting for all countries Switzerland included.

 

[han-g]

Hell no! That 2008-09 system sucked. I'd rather have a 50-50 system back than a few people collectively agreeing that only one song is worth saving

They don't decide one song is worth saving. The juries vote as a backup the way they always vote in the 50-50 system. The top 9 in the televote then qualify with the 10th song being the highest ranked song with the jury that didn't already qualify with the televote.

In 2021 Sweden and San Marino would be the jury saves, they placed 10th with the televote anyway. Denmark and Croatia would have qualified over Belgium and Albania

2022, Switzeland and Belgium would have been the jury saves with Albania and Cyprus qualifying over Iceland and Azerbaijan. Belgium placed
10th with the televote anyway.

I've never understood people who's favourite method is televote only preferring 50-50 to the jury save.

 

[empo21]

Doubt its true but interesting to think about.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771216733002469533

Anna Bergendahl, you can do the funniest thing...

 

[EscGeek]

They don't decide one song is worth saving. The juries vote as a backup the way they always vote in the 50-50 system. The top 9 in the televote then qualify with the 10th song being the highest ranked song with the jury that didn't already qualify with the televote.

In 2021 Sweden and San Marino would be the jury saves, they placed 10th with the televote anyway. Denmark and Croatia would have qualified over Belgium and Albania

2022, Switzeland and Belgium would have been the jury saves with Albania and Cyprus qualifying over Iceland and Azerbaijan. Belgium placed
10th with the televote anyway.

I've never understood people who's favourite method is televote only preferring 50-50 to the jury save.

But what if two or more jury faves all flop the televote? All but one would fail to qualify. In a 50-50 system they would at least have a fair chance, and in a 100% televoting system their losses wouldn't even feel wrong.

 

[han-g]

But what if two or more jury faves all flop the televote? All but one would fail to qualify. In a 50-50 system they would at least have a fair chance, and in a 100% televoting system their losses wouldn't even feel wrong.

At most the difference between juries and televote is 3 songs usually its only 1 or 2. And as i pointed out 3 of the most recent 4 would be jury saves were the 10th place with the televote anyway. Its quite clear Estonia would have been the jury save in semi 2 last year, as for semi 1 it would have been between Netherlands and Latvia. It also would have been between those two in a 50-50 (with the very small possibility Croatia gets knocked out to allow both). There's not that much difference between all 3 methods.

 

[Mainshow]

Nah. Last year showed us that a 100% televoting semi is totally fine.

"jury pleasers" still can qualify ( and ) but we didn't witness any dated turds qualifying and getting or pts in the televoting in the GF.

 

[EscGeek]

At most the difference between juries and televote is 3 songs usually its only 1 or 2. And as i pointed out 3 of the most recent 4 would be jury saves were the 10th place with the televote anyway. Its quite clear Estonia would have been the jury save in semi 2 last year, as for semi 1 it would have been between Netherlands and Latvia. It also would have been between those two in a 50-50 (with the very small possibility Croatia gets knocked out to allow both). There's not that much difference between all 3 methods.

Very true. But i don't see the 2008-09 system to be very transparent and i don't want it back

 

[Loindici]

I actually think it could be very limiting for all countries Switzerland included.

Reading this and realizing that mapping robotic camera rig positions might be more difficult with the stage shape too

 

[soundofsilence]

Simulated final scoreboard for 2024

 

[esc87fan]

The OGAE poll has started again with France being the first to report in

 

[MopManMoss]

Off topic but I don't use social media so I don't know where else to post this but I'm so glad to see @Matt back and active again, really glad that his health has improved, I have missed being called a fool opening up a Eurovision video/stream

 

[HarryUK]

Off topic but I don't use social media so I don't know where else to post this but I'm so glad to see @Matt back and active again, really glad that his health has improved, I have missed being called a fool opening up a Eurovision video/stream

Ditto!!! Matt's videos are what first brought me here. So glad he's back and giving us content again

 

[MooseShoes]

Off topic but I don't use social media so I don't know where else to post this but I'm so glad to see @Matt back and active again, really glad that his health has improved, I have missed being called a fool opening up a Eurovision video/stream

Ditto!!! Matt's videos are what first brought me here. So glad he's back and giving us content again

I third this! I'm so happy to see that Matt is back and doing well. I'll also add that both Roy and Gabe did a sterling job standing in for him!

 

[Realest]

 

[theditz83]

This just appeared on the Eurovision official YouTube community a couple of minutes ago... #soon

And now this... It's today people!!!

 

[Loindici]

Yay, finally, the running order!