Eurovision fans were already fed up with Sweden in the last years. This was the icing on the cake.
EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION
NeoTen
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So here are all the final televoting and jury results split detailed. We bookies are quicker than Wikipedia once again! It was fun reading all your comments again this year.
SF1: https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336511
SF
https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336673
PS: Nothing against UK or my Germany, I just hit the forum image limit. That's why their flags are missing.
SF1: https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336511
SF
https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336673PS: Nothing against UK or my Germany, I just hit the forum image limit.
That's why their flags are missing.| R/O | Half | Country | Participant | Song | Points (Jury + Televote) - Click on picture to enlarge | RankSort Descending |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 | 1st half |
Sweden | Tattoo | 583
| 1st | |
| 13 | 1st half |
Finland | Cha Cha Cha | 526
| 2nd | |
| 23 | 2nd half |
Israel | Unicorn | 362 
| 3rd | |
| 11 | 1st half |
Italy | Due Vite | 350
| 4th | |
| 20 | 2nd half |
Norway | Queen of Kings | 268
| 5th | |
| 19 | 2nd half |
Ukraine | Heart Of Steel | 243
| 6th | |
| 16 | 2nd half |
Belgium | Because Of You | 182
| 7th | |
| 12 | 1st half |
Estonia | Bridges | 168
| 8th | |
| 15 | 2nd half |
Australia | Promise | 151
| 9th | |
| 14 | 2nd half |
Czechia | My Sister's Crown | 129
| 10th | |
| 22 | 2nd half |
Lithuania | Stay | 127
| 11th | |
| 7 | 1st half |
Cyprus | Break A Broken Heart | 126
| 12th | |
| 25 | 2nd half |
Croatia | Mama ŠČ! | 123
| 13th | |
| 17 | 2nd half |
Armenia | Future Lover | 122
| 14th | |
| 1 | 1st half |
Austria | Who The Hell Is Edgar? | 120
| 15th | |
| 6 | 1st half |
France | Évidemment | 104
| 16th | |
| 8 | 1st half |
Spain | Eaea | 100
| 17th | |
| 18 | 2nd half |
Moldova | Soarele şi Luna | 96
| 18th | |
| 4 | 1st half |
Poland | Solo | 93
| 19th | |
| 3 | 1st half |
Switzerland | Watergun | 92
| 20th | |
| 24 | 2nd half |
Slovenia | Carpe Diem | 78
| 21st | |
| 10 | 1st half |
Albania | Duje | 76
| 22nd | |
| 2 | 1st half |
Portugal | Ai Coração | 59
| 23rd | |
| 5 | 1st half |
Serbia | Samo Mi Se Spava | 30
| 24th | |
| 26 | 2nd half | United Kingdom | I Wrote A Song | 24
| 25th | |
| 21 | 2nd half | Gerrmany | Blood & Glitter | 18
| 26th |
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midnightsun
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Probably. They got what they wanted and sacrificed Loreen for that without hesitation. Actually I feel a bit sorry for her. They knew exactly what would happen if she didn’t win the televote yet they let her win the jury vote with a LANDSLIDE although they knew she didn’t even win the semi (nobody tell me the teams do not know about the results; I know they do).
They were her throwing in the shark pool yet they did everything so desperately to push her to victory.
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Sweden's win of course is fair according to the rules, but it feels so wrong in so many levels. It just enhances even more what many of us have been saying about the juries over the years. This system needs to be fixed, or we'll be here year after year discussing the same things.
PollyWantsACracker
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The ratio of likes : dislikes on her Grand Final performance video is 1 : 3 in favour of dislikes.
I don't feel sorry for her. For the first time ever have I heard during live broadcast Croatian commentator, who is 55 yrs old and super sweet guy, complaining about her queen syndrome behaviour during press conference. She wasn't forced into anything.
Ezio
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I really didnt expect 3 Big 5 countries to bottom in the televote.
Serbia in the bottom 5 shows how vulnerable it is without most of their neighbours, but also Austria didnt vote for them for the first time, which is crazy, because this song was so much better than their abominal 2018 entry. Or Austro-Serbs joined Croats to vote for Let 3, who got 10 points from us. Usually Croatia falls behind Serbia, since their diaspora here is not as massive.
And Portugal and Austria basically tied 5th in the bottom 5. Yikes! 121 televoting points less in the final for Austria.
But "running order doesn't really matter" will continue in debates to come. Cesar Sampson prepped Teya & Salena that they would finish 5 places lower due to their running order. He himself saw his televote diminished in 2018 likewise.
Besides that, Romania 0 points goes to show that their diaspora wasn't enough for a single point.
The new diaspora powerhouses are Albania and Ukraine, joining Lithuania, Poland and Latvia.
Serbia in the bottom 5 shows how vulnerable it is without most of their neighbours, but also Austria didnt vote for them for the first time, which is crazy, because this song was so much better than their abominal 2018 entry. Or Austro-Serbs joined Croats to vote for Let 3, who got 10 points from us. Usually Croatia falls behind Serbia, since their diaspora here is not as massive.
And Portugal and Austria basically tied 5th in the bottom 5. Yikes! 121 televoting points less in the final for Austria.
But "running order doesn't really matter" will continue in debates to come. Cesar Sampson prepped Teya & Salena that they would finish 5 places lower due to their running order. He himself saw his televote diminished in 2018 likewise.
Besides that, Romania 0 points goes to show that their diaspora wasn't enough for a single point.
The new diaspora powerhouses are Albania and Ukraine, joining Lithuania, Poland and Latvia.
Nice work! Please do Estonia as well?So here are all the final televoting and jury results split detailed. We bookies are quicker than Wikipedia once again! It was fun reading all your comments again this year.
SF1: https://www.escunited.com/forum/thr...s-and-live-show-discussion.26825/post-2336511
SF
R/O Half Country Participant Song Points (Jury + Televote) - Click on picture to enlarge RankSort Descending 9 1st half Tattoo 583
1st 13 1st half Cha Cha Cha 526
2nd 23 2nd half Unicorn 362 
3rd 11 1st half Due Vite 350
4th 20 2nd half Queen of Kings 268 
5th 19 2nd half Heart Of Steel 243 6th 16 2nd half Because Of You 182 
7th 12 1st half Bridges 168
8th 15 2nd half Promise 151
9th 14 2nd half My Sister's Crown 129
10th 22 2nd half Stay 127
11th 7 1st half Break A Broken Heart 126
12th 25 2nd half Mama ŠČ! 123
13th 17 2nd half Future Lover 122
14th 1 1st half Who The Hell Is Edgar? 120
15th 6 1st half Évidemment 104
16th 8 1st half Eaea 100
17th 18 2nd half Soarele şi Luna 96
18th 4 1st half Solo 93
19th 3 1st half Watergun 92
20th 24 2nd half Carpe Diem 78
21st 10 1st half Duje 76
22nd 2 1st half Ai Coração 59
23rd 5 1st half Samo Mi Se Spava 30
24th 26 2nd half United Kingdom I Wrote A Song 24
25th 21 2nd half Gerrmany Blood & Glitter 18
26th
NeoTen
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So some small notes to end it;
- Albania.....Oh my f.. god... received 12 points of the ROTW.
- Cyprus did get 12 points from Greece in the SF.
- Latvia was third in the ROTW vote, opening up a possibility for future editions.
- 4(!) countries received more 12 points than Sweden in SF1: Israel, Finland, Moldova and even Portugal!
- The western countries seem to gain more from the ROTW as it appears Western, SE-Asian folks vote a lot as songs that fit their music charts are up there, making the ESF more Swedish once again.... and a little Albanian.
- You saw it right. Nobody from the televoting gave Sweden 12 points. 18 gave Finland.
NeoTen
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Switched them. Should be good now. Ping me if not. I'll still be awake for a few hours.
All good! Thank you!
Living for this
midnightsun
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I feel the same about her for a long time but, however, Swedish responsibles pushed her so much it’s no wonder. That’s why I feel sorry. They established her for their agenda and it worked.
Skymnos
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Yep, it was
NeoTen
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30 points man. Isn't that a bit harsh?
In fact, Estonia's Margin was the biggest margin of a 10th place country on a 11th placed country in 14 years.
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I got the top 2 right and then it trailed off from there
Ezio
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Australia and Austria went from Top 2 in the semi to bottom 2 out of this semi in the GF. Absolutely crazy. Austria actually was the least voted for act out of semi 2 ultimately.
But we had the honour of opening the GF, yay
But we had the honour of opening the GF, yay
PlasticToad
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Tbh, it's stuff like this that makes me appreciate juries. They were totally screwed over televote-wise and it's almost impossible to counter that - someone's always got to go first... Idk why they put Finland after like 3 ballads in a row too, it had a similar effect to Moldova last year. But if they'd done it in a different way I'm sure I'd find some problem with it too. Running order is a big issue when there's 26 countries in the final. Sometimes I wonder if there should be less...
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How is it wrong? Judges are equally important in the voting process as the public vote and have always been. It's not wrong just because you don't like their decision lol. You can argue you don't like the judge system but this is the system we have right now, she won fair and square.
Ezio
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I was also wondering about these three ballads. They should have put us in between there. But with 2 points more than Loreen in the semi, we were an apparent threat.
The running order also did Australia dirty. They won the semi and were at the beginning of the second half. The early slots in the second half also a notorious for underscoring.