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Sweden SWEDEN 2017 - Robin Bengtsson - I Can't Go On

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    57 18.4%
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    42 13.5%
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    59 19.0%

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FilipFromSweden

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On a tragic day like this I am remembered why Eurovision; an event of joy, love, music and unity, is needed more than ever in this world. I am going to listen to all my happy favorites all day like :rs: and :ru: 2015 xheart :se:
 

Geborgenheit

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kamc

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By far the biggest highlight of last weekend in Amsterdam for me was getting to meet Robin Bengtsson at the after party. For someone who is such a confident performer on the stage, he is the most humble, unassuming guy off it.....just a really lovely gentleman xlove
 

Pawhlen

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Just wondering, did he got to answer a question about the terrible happening in Stockholm the day before?
 

kamc

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He paid tribute to the tragic event in Stockholm at the start of his EIC performance.
 

Mii11

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I'm sorry Sweden, but this song is really unoriginal. I hope it will stay in the semifinal, where it belongs :)
 

midnightsun

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It's such an earworm.

I will be popular, I will be popular, I can't go on, I can't go on, herooooooes, herooo-ohohs... see how it works? :mrgreen:

shhhh....my guilty pleasure: I love Sweden for exactly THIS!
 

theditz83

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I'm sorry Sweden, but this song is really unoriginal. I hope it will stay in the semifinal, where it belongs :)

Haha, I adore the fact that your avatar is Nicola Sturgeon at school. I looked at it and thought "that looks like my old school tie" and then it clicked that it was the Sturgeon herself. She was the head girl in my older sister's year... Apparently she hasn't changed much since then (take from that what you will)

Back on topic - I still can't get enough of this performance, it's really going to be an amazing opener to the semi and I can't foresee anything but a comfortable qualification for the Swedes ;)
 

QwaarJet

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I'm sorry Sweden, but this song is really unoriginal. I hope it will stay in the semifinal, where it belongs :)

Most of the songs are unoriginal this year. At least this one is catchy and has a great stage show. It could very well win it's semi. And if it wins Eurovision, I'd love to see your reaction.
 

kayak

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I heard this song in polish radiostation "ESKA" :eek: ! Sweden, are you ready for next victory ?
 

Mii11

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Haha, I adore the fact that your avatar is Nicola Sturgeon at school. I looked at it and thought "that looks like my old school tie" and then it clicked that it was the Sturgeon herself. She was the head girl in my older sister's year... Apparently she hasn't changed much since then (take from that what you will)

Back on topic - I still can't get enough of this performance, it's really going to be an amazing opener to the semi and I can't foresee anything but a comfortable qualification for the Swedes ;)

I'm glad you like it :D I love Nicola, she is a great politician. She is one of the very few who really look after her homeland and at the same time is relatively liberal and does not discriminate people because of their ethnicity, LGBT status and religion, unlike other politicians.

Sadly, I cannot share your enthusiasm about :se: entry. If this was Czech song, it would be roasted on this forum. I feel like we are going in circles. Every single year there is an average song which is overrated by fans just because of the country it is representing (:ru: 2014, :ua: 2014, :se: 2015, :ru: 2016). Of course, I understand that everyone has different music taste. However, there is a certain group of countries (:se: :ru: :ar: :az: :dk: :gr:) which are always placed high by fans - I think it is very suspicious and there must be some bias. The slogan of this year is 'Celebrate diversity' - but how is it celebrating diversity if the aforementioned countries are almost always in Top 10? Please, do not say that 'these countries are just trying harder' - that is a strawman argument. Do you really think San Marino would qualify with this song?
 

Mii11

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Most of the songs are unoriginal this year. At least this one is catchy and has a great stage show. It could very well win it's semi. And if it wins Eurovision, I'd love to see your reaction.

I think I have daje vu. ;)


This will be my reaction if this 'song' wins:
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theditz83

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Do you really think San Marino would qualify with this song?

Personally I believe it does, but I've always been a sucker for key changes and I'm always taken in but Jimmie's voice whenever the song starts - it's a fun and carefree song that will be fun to watch. A winner - certainly not, but it's still my fave so far this year.

Sweden is sliding only because the song doesn't hold the same appeal anymore, but the performance still holds my attention and will have people hooked to the screen in Eurovision. ;)
 

kamc

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That argument of "if Czech Republic/any other country sent this song, people would hate it" is so redundant as no other country would send an entry like this.....it is a distinctively Swedish package from Robin himself to the song and staging, no other country could pull it off with such aplomb.
Ironically if this entry was from any country other than Sweden, more people would be applauding it!
 

Alaska49

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czech republic has way too much dignity to release this. (conversely, san marino has way too little dignity to release this xheart what a country)
 

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Sadly, I cannot share your enthusiasm about :se: entry. If this was Czech song, it would be roasted on this forum. I feel like we are going in circles. Every single year there is an average song which is overrated by fans just because of the country it is representing (:ru: 2014, :ua: 2014, :se: 2015, :ru: 2016). Of course, I understand that everyone has different music taste. However, there is a certain group of countries (:se: :ru: :ar: :az: :dk: :gr:) which are always placed high by fans - I think it is very suspicious and there must be some bias. The slogan of this year is 'Celebrate diversity' - but how is it celebrating diversity if the aforementioned countries are almost always in Top 10? Please, do not say that 'these countries are just trying harder' - that is a strawman argument. Do you really think San Marino would qualify with this song?

I entirely understand that people might not like Robin's song, but you're saying a lot of things here that are simply factually incorrect. Firstly, how on earth was Russia's 2014 entry overrated by fans? From memory it was mid-to-low-table for most fans, and the poll on this forum reflects that; in spite of that, it ended up coming 6th in the final, so if anything it was underrated by the fans (though in saying that I don't much enjoy the song myself). The same is true, to a lesser extent, for every other one of the examples that you mentioned - you can't really say the fans overrated them pre-contest when they either equalled or beat fan expectations in May. Better examples of songs 'overrated' by fans would be Israel 2014 or Iceland 2016, which were loved by many fans but flopped - and I don't exactly think you can say the forums have some sort of massive political bias in favour of Israel or Iceland.

Secondly: it's simply wrong, in more than one way, to refer to 'these countries are just trying harder' as a 'strawman argument'. I mean, to begin with, 'strawman argument' isn't just a term for 'argument I disagree with'; it has a particular meaning, which is completely unrelated to how you've used it here. Specifically, it refers to misrepresenting your opponent's argument - and so in this scenario is entirely irrelevant, since 'they try harder' isn't a reframing of an opponent's argument at all but rather a point made completely off its own back.

Getting to the main point, though, it's pretty undeniable that they are trying harder. Just compare Sweden's massive-scale annual Melodifestivalen NF, or Russia sending superstars backed by multi-million dollar staging budgets, with the 'just take whoever's willing to help us fund things and plonk them on a mostly-empty stage' approaches usually taken by Croatia, San Marino and the like. There's a rather obvious difference in the way that certain countries go about these things, and that leads to a clear effect.

To approach it from a different angle: look at Bulgaria. Previously they were one of the 'low-effort' broadcasters just sending whatever, but this year and last year they've started to try a little harder, upping their game with strong songs, decent artists, promotional campaigns and more. That extra effort gave them their best ever score in 2016, and on most predictions they're likely to equal or beat that this year. Clearly the level of effort, then - and of course a good song - are the most important metrics by far? It's not exactly like Bulgaria made some massive transformation from 'politically loathed' to 'politically loved' in the space of a few of years. I could give more examples here if you'd like, but I think you get my point.

And yes: I do think that San Marino would qualify with this song. Easily. They don't have consistent low scores because they're San Marino; they have consistent low scores because they always send dated Ralph Siegel tracks with minimal staging, which isn't exactly a recipe for success in modern Eurovision. Even then, they qualified with Valentina's second attempt, and came close in both 2013 and 2016 , so they actually don't do quite as badly as some people seem to think. If they can sneak into the final with a forgettably-staged Siegel track, they would absolutely make it there with a slickly-staged mainstream dance pop song like I Can't Go On, and that applies regardless of whether you personally love or hate what Sweden's doing here. I'm not saying that politics and biases aren't in Eurovision - because of course they are - but they have a much, much smaller impact that what you seem to be suggesting.
 
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