Sweden SWEDEN 2017 - Robin Bengtsson - I Can't Go On

[Ezio]

Ahh yes remember the soulful songs like 2016 2002 2001 so much passion so much soul Oh wait.
Sorry to burst your bubble but the televoters often times don't vote for the song which is why during the 2004-2008 period there was a over reliance on stage performances since grabbing attention was more important than having a good song.
And also in some countries the televoters make up just about 1% of the viewers so leaving the audience disengaged makes no sense since viewers who don't vote make up the majority of the audience and because of that interest of the contest have gone up not down since the reintroduction of the jury. if it wasn't for the jury last year the soulful and genuine 1944 would have lost to the plastic and dated You're the only one. I'm not saying that the jury ion its current form is perfect but they have already shown that they are a necessity.

There is no need for bursting bubbles, because it would be slightly impolite.

Anyway, 2016 Russia and then all the way back to 2002? I assume we had 14 great televote winners in a row then?

Russia 2016 gave a very entertaining, dramatic and enjoyable performance. Sergey was very charismatic too. Those treadmills and suits don't compare to that. Of course juries have to take away the fun of Eurovision, that is why they were introduced in the first place. Reduce the valuation of songs without factoring in the joy and emotions it may arouse in the audience.
Australia though was a perfect example for overrated plastic by juries. No fun, no emotion, but an awful lot of points for showing off some notes and holograms. 1944 is an example how to win ESC by violating the rules and getting away with it. The message is the problem, not the song which is fine. And people did not get the subliminal message or did not care.

And 2016 was the year of Michal Szpak who gave a rousing performance and touched hearts across Europe, but not across juries. On the other hand Malta's plastic pop was only loved by juries.

2002 was a terrible contest with solely consisted of awful songs and failing favourites. And I was rooting for Latvia that night as well, not knowing that this meant the beginning of the circus that plagued Eurovision going forward. Due to the lack of emotional masterpieces people voted for the entertainment, their neighbours or their diaspora.

And 2001? I do not know what the winner should statistically represent, it is fluke. I missed the contest because we did not qualify.

 

[Stiven]

Yep - that, plus One By One from the same semi. Which is particularly noteworthy seeing as it was a competitive second, almost first place, in the app-less second voting round... meaning the app pushed a song that would've been a 2nd-place DTF into 5th-place NQ range. I'd love for them to eliminate the app entirely at this point, as it's caused a lion's share of issues, but for now I'd be happy enough with some kind of compromise that stops it from destroying the televote.

I agree but, I don't think they should get rid of entirely it requires an overhaul instead of maximum 5 votes per song it should be maximum 5 votes in general and voting after all the songs have performed just like the other voting. this way people who are on budget can still vote but people in general won't neutralise the public voting by voting for every song 5 times.

 

[Swedenvision]

Reading on internet i think the reactions have been very positive on our entry.

And Sweden is 3rd in odds, so this will not flop.

 

[Scania]

The app vote wasn't used in the final for 2015 - there were technical issues that led to them using it in the SFs but not for the final, which reverted to televote-only (well, plus the juries, of course). Which makes your point even more clearly - Mans and Frans were both the clear 'people's favourite', but one got 35% of the vote while the other got 14%. I think that shows just how big the app's effect is at smoothing everything out.

Oh, how did I forget that! Thank you
It can't be that hard to come up with a method of making the voting system more even between IJ and the people. It is not even exciting anymore when the votes are so close due to the app.

 

[Ezio]

I fear the app vote is the future of Eurovision. But that would give 85% power to juries, who rank the songs, while app voters vote for every song they like. Both parties need to have a balance of power and equivalent tools.

 

[Ezio]

Reading on internet i think the reactions have been very positive on our entry.

And Sweden is 3rd in odds, so this will not flop.

Maybe "I can't go on" sounds better if you don't know the other songs that deserved it more.

But Sweden is always Top 5 in the odds ,even in their flop years.

OK, here's a Top 9 only in 2010:

 

[ESCada]

People are being unrealistic when they say this will not qualify.
It's definitely qualifying..........The performance is Eurovision ready and things can only go UP from there.
Tho not my personal favorite this year I think that I would be OK with a top 5-6-7 finish from Sweden but I wouldn't want this song to WIN.
Objectively speaking they are gonna finish in the top 3 in their semi -----> qualify -----> TOP 10 minimum ------> Top 5 probably -------> Win (HOPE NOT)

 

[Krishoes]

This song will be top 5 in Kyiv, not because it's Sweden (well, obviously there's a bit of that too? Not sure) but because this song follows the music trends of 2017, he is a nice guy with a good voice, he sings very well live, there is a catchy performance, as always for Sweden. I can get you hate on it because your favourites didn't win (and he is definitely NOT my choice, he was in the middle of my ranking for the final) but still, this is a good choice for the contest, we can't disagree on this :/

 

[ESCada]

This song will be top 5 in Kyiv, not because it's Sweden (well, obviously there's a bit of that too? Not sure) but because this song follows the music trends of 2017, he is a nice guy with a good voice, he sings very well live, there is a catchy performance, as always for Sweden. I can get you hate on it because your favourites didn't win (and he is definitely NOT my choice, he was in the middle of my ranking for the final) but still, this is a good choice for the contest, we can't disagree on this :/

I am so happy we both have Nicaragua in our top 3

 

[Krishoes]

I am so happy we both have Nicaragua in our top 3

Finally they sent a masterpiece. Nicaragua has always been in the bottom of my ranking, but they surprised me a lot this year with their folk-rock-electro-dance-salsa-tango instrumental

 

[ESCada]

Finally they sent a masterpiece. Nicaragua has always been in the bottom of my ranking, but they surprised me a lot this year with their folk-rock-electro-dance-salsa-tango instrumental

I just have an issue with Comoros going for the Balkan Ballad yet again .......... It's too obvious and they do it every year

 

[Krishoes]

I just have an issue with Comoros going for the Balkan Ballad yet again .......... It's too obvious and they do it every year

I agree with you, they stick with this formula and it could be annoying. At the same time it's a smart move to add a bit of African schlager mixed with Italian yodeling in the bridge

 

[ESCada]

I agree with you, they stick with this formula and it could be annoying. At the same time it's a smart move to add a bit of African schlager mixed with Italian yodeling in the bridge

Agreed ............. Soooooooooo calculated and sneaky.
Damn you Comoros.

 

[Stiven]

Anyway, 2016 Russia and then all the way back to 2002? I assume we had 14 great televote winners in a row then?

Don't get me even started on 2015 2011 2008.

Russia 2016 gave a very entertaining, dramatic and enjoyable performance. Sergey was very charismatic too. Those treadmills and suits don't compare to that. Of course juries have to take away the fun of Eurovision, that is why they were introduced in the first place. Reduce the valuation of songs without factoring in the joy and emotions it may arouse in the audience. )

You just proved my point on televoters not voting for the songs and over reliance on stage performance, along with a conspiracy theory.

1944 is an example how to win ESC by violating the rules and getting away with it. The message is the problem, not the song which is fine. And people did not get the subliminal message or did not care.

Which rule did they broke exactly?

And 2001? I do not know what the winner should statistically represent, it is fluke. I missed the contest because we did not qualify.

It is the year where even the EBU has problems acknowledging the winner.

 

[Synergise]

An app based vote like that isn't a problem with the current Eurovision voting system, where the number of votes doesn't matter, just the ranking of votes. In MelFest, the raw numbers DO matter, which is why the power lies with the jury.

I completely support juries in Eurovision (and in Melfest for that matter), but agree that the juries essentially had all the power last night.

 

[ZoboCamel]

I agree but, I don't think they should get rid of entirely it requires an overhaul instead of maximum 5 votes per song it should be maximum 5 votes in general and voting after all the songs have performed just like the other voting. this way people who are on budget can still vote but people in general won't neutralise the public voting by voting for every song 5 times.

I wrote a long-ish comment in support of this but my internet crashed as I was posting it and all my text disappeared. I can't be bothered writing it all back out again but in essence: yes, that sounds quite good, it'd be an acceptable compromise, please be kind o Lord Bjorkman who doth rule all from above.

 

[alca]

The app vote is totally free of charge?

Yes but you can only vote up to 5 times per song.

 

[alca]

Same for me. My fav was Loreen. When she didn't qualify I just turned completely BLANK and really sad.... and I was so pissed off since Swedish people bashed Loreen completely in all forums... They all praised Wiktoria saying she had a better voice than Loreen. A better staging than Loreen. A better song than Loreen. ???????? Well, if they*ve just said that it could have been fine cause then they just talked about the song. But they didn't stop there... They said that Loreen was awful, she had a terrible message, she isn't Swedish so she could just go and kill herself and things like that.... and that Wiktoria is the Swedish Queen... And I was like, what the ****???

I didn't even want to watch the Mello-final tonight.

But then I saw that other songs was rising in the Swedish forums. And I felt like MAYBE Wiktoria isn't going to win.

So, yes my feelings are the same as yours. I'm OK with Robin winning - it's not my fav... I'm just really happy that Wiktoria didn't win.

Let's take a moment to laugh here. A lot. Wiktoria's voice (apart from being extremely annoying to me) is nowhere near Loreen's. Plus, she was really shaky in the semi and during the final's rehearsals (on Thursday) it was playback in all 3 times she rehearsed it. I didn't see so many hate comments about Loreen but then again I have no idea what's happening in Swedish forums. I just don't get the hate. And it's really funny how people can adore her so much in 2012, treat her like goddess and then hating her 5 years later just because they didn't like the song.

Loreen will always be the amazing person she is. She still has both feet on the ground, even in 2013 when she came to Melodifestivalen as a Eurovision winner. I think her mistake is that she doesn't care about PR. She didn't attend the after party last night although I get why. She would probably have had more journalists around her than Robin.

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Anyway, this is the time where I say "I told you so" regarding the voting last night. I've been saying this for days that the juries wouldn't buy Wiktoria's song and that it's gonna be a blood bath in the final and there you have it.

I'm glad that (my) Mariette got a great response in the arena and at the after party. During the first seconds of her song I got some Sanna Nielsen 2014 vibes because of the cheering and for a moment I thought "is this happening?" but then I quickly came back to Earth.

I give a 7 to Robin coz I can't make up my mind about the song.

 

[midnightsun]

I didn't watch the MF so I don't know the participating artists, but I really love Sweden's choice, Robin is in my top 5 and I love the song AND the performance. The latest songs are all so much better, thank you, God! ;-)

 

[carl1]

I have had this on repeat for hours now, I think this is my new nr 1