The Netherlands NETHERLANDS 2024 - Joost Klein - Europapa

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[aef]

The fact that Joost has more views (3.1 million!) in a single day than any other video uploaded to the official channel I think speaks volumes here. No matter what the fandom think, Europapa has already taken off and now the sky is the limit Watch out.

That song trending in at no 1, not even in the music category, in the general category (!) is very impressive to me. I think we never really had that with any Eurovision song here.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Hm, you expect the betting odds to rise if he's to be a fave, and they have but not by much. Just middle of the pack so far.

I hear the calls that this is more authentic than Finland and fully agree. Windows95man sings about how life has no rules! do as you like! nothing matters! life is shit anyway! and it rings hollow because he's a man in his late 30s who has to get followers by making flat jokes about masturbation.

Windows95man weaponizes zoomer ideology for his own personal gain , but Joost lives and breathes it.

In a way I feel sorry for Joost? The song's nihilistic and irreverent and ironic, but that's all a giant coping mechanism for all the shit's he's been though - youtuber at 11, both parents dead at 12, drop out at 16 (i believe) and currently living as a drifter, sleeping in a van. Societies that properly protect its citizens and embrace their outcasts do not produce Joosts. Nor are they keen on embracing someone who flies into the face of general taste and traditions.

If our society functioned perfectly we would have no need for Joosts, and the Joosts of this world would not be Joosts if you get what I mean.

So I guess that at the end, I begrudgingly respect the intent. I still dislike the song because it's you know, bunch of nonsense copium, with anti-humour that falls flatter than Kaleen's cleavage, and also nearly impossible to make work live if you don't got for a stupid degenerate memshit staging, but yes, it's authentic. This is an authentic Rodolfo Chikilicuatre. When life does you in really dirty and you're a zoomer, this is where you end up. That makes me feel sadness, not joy, so the I gave remains.

But at least he's better than that Finnish scammer.

 

[CC92]

I am positively surprised. Easily my favourite "fun entry" thus far.

 

[Elna]

I've been fully on board with the weird entries so far this year (Croatia, Estonia, Finland, plus Switzerland if you count that), but this one isn't really doing it for me. The verses are fun, with a good beat (especially in the second), but the song seems to lose a lot of energy in the chorus... and then the rave part's a bit meh, and the ending is nice but the transition to it feels kind of... abrupt? Incohesive? Not sure I'm a fan of his vocals either.

Add to all that that I at least appreciate the song trying to be different, and I'm interested to see how it's done live, and I end up with for now.

I feel like what makes the ending so good is the fact that it's so abrupt. It's supposed to give a somewhat emotional whiplash and it does so through the music.

 

[Kruto]

As a dutchie, I am OK with this... takes me back to the 90ties, crazy times with my gabber-friends (I was more metal but I got along with the gabbers quite well). This is the most dutch thing ever, in a good way

Ah, NL passed finland in the odds, as it should because this one is just much better.

 

[Jay25]

This is a great Dutch entry with a message about Europe. I am sure it will be amazing on stage with a big party.

 

[Fierro]

I can't get this out of my head

 

[JSSArcos]

I might be mistaken, but I'm happy to see that, in general, the Dutch really like the song. I think that's the most important thing, for the people of the country in question to like what they're sending!

Anyway, the song has been growing on me

 

[rasmuslights]

Also what I've seen on Twitter is that the song is starting to click for a lot of people.

 

[SirPeterGriffin]

This is going viral even outside the esc circles. Already 3,7M views in less than two days and an abundance of reaction videos praising it. Public is eating it up. Deny Eurodaddy all you want - he's coming.

 

[0scar]

I might be mistaken, but I'm happy to see that, in general, the Dutch really like the song. I think that's the most important thing, for the people of the country in question to like what they're sending!

General feeling here is that this is one of the best things we've ever sent, without really caring how it'll do in Malmö.
Of course there are enough people who don't like it but you can't please everyone.

I was right btw, I went clubbing yesterday and yup, Europapa was played

 

[Ana Raquel]

I'm starting to warm up to the chorus and might give it a 12 and a spot in my top 3 anytime soon


Already my favorite Dutch entry since No Goodbyes

 

[kamc]

If he can nail the staging for this and get that emotional gut punch at the end of the music video across on stage, this will storm the televote.
That whiplash feeling from being super happy to suddenly wanting to cry makes it stand out so much.

 

[aef]

I watched it with subtitles now for the first time and now I want to give it even more

I hope he can translate that Europe is one continent Erasmus kinda vibe well on stage. I believe that many people feel like that and actually don’t want to miss an open Europe with a lot to do and see together in peace and freedom.

 

[gigi_copp3]

This is growing insanely on me: now it's at my #4. It's so fun, but at the same time, it's so deep. I don't see him winning but he could be one of the dark horses of this year

 

[rasmuslights]

This is going viral even outside the esc circles. Already 3,7M views in less than two days and an abundance of reaction videos praising it. Public is eating it up. Deny Eurodaddy all you want - he's coming.

Youtube trending:

1. the Netherlands
1. Belgium
3. Austria
7. Germany
14. UK
23. Finland
35. Croatia
36. Estonia

This is the song that could storm the televote, not Croatia, which is just popular within Croatia and maybe Slo. and Ser.

 

[aef]

Youtube trending:

1. the Netherlands
1. Belgium
3. Austria
7. Germany
14. UK
23. Finland
35. Croatia
36. Estonia

This is the song that could storm the televote, not Croatia, which is just popular within Croatia and maybe Slo. and Ser.

Yeah I feel like if didn’t have that song would probably be more a televote magnet. Now with Europapa I think is massively threatened by . Europapa is a more dynamic, catchy and less repetitive song than Rim Tim Dagi Tim. And it’s more connectable for the average outside bubble viewers in my opinion.

 

[jatojo]

For me, this, Finland, Estonia and Croatia’s songs are all cynical attempts at trying to copy Cha Cha Cha. They all lack a genuine feeling to me.

Or the opposite: Out of all the joke and semi joke entries, Cha Cha Cha had some quality - it was thought through -, while most of the others just try to draw maximum attention by all means (the Russian grandmothers phenomenon). At least we can hope that they will cancel each other out to some extent.

But the losers are the countries that come with pleasant midtempo songs. They will easily drown between the silly songs and the oh so lovely old-fashioned ballads.

 

[Ted Talks]

Or the opposite: Out of all the joke and semi joke entries, Cha Cha Cha had some quality - it was thought through -, while most of the others just try to draw maximum attention by all means (the Russian grandmothers phenomenon). At least we can hope that they will cancel each other out to some extent.

But the losers are the countries that come with pleasant midtempo songs. They will easily drown between the silly songs and the oh so lovely old-fashioned ballads.

Oh I agree Cha Cha Cha had something about it that made it much more than a gimmicky wacky song. For me it treaded a fine line between fun and gimmicky, but didn’t go into gimmick overload. It had a genuine quality to it.

Compare that to Let3 whose gimmick was old men singing in the underwear, Cha Cha Cha is a masterpiece. I know Let3 were being genuine to themselves but presented to wider Europe, it was a gimmick and what a ‘typical Eurovision’ song remains for many people.

Eurovision has been changing that opinion bit by bit in recent years, but as I say, that’s now under threat from the Cha Cha Cha-lite entries were getting this year…

 

[rasmuslights]

Oh I agree Cha Cha Cha had something about it that made it much more than a gimmicky wacky song. For me it treaded a fine line between fun and gimmicky, but didn’t go into gimmick overload. It had a genuine quality to it.

Compare that to Let3 whose gimmick was old men singing in the underwear, Cha Cha Cha is a masterpiece. I know Let3 were being genuine to themselves but presented to wider Europe, it was a gimmick and what a ‘typical Eurovision’ song remains for many people.

Eurovision has been changing that opinion bit by bit in recent years, but as I say, that’s now under threat from the Cha Cha Cha-lite entries were getting this year…

To me Joost Klein and 5miinust aren't that since they're the most popular artists in their countries.

Baby and Windows95man (especially the finnish act) are that though and I hope that at least one of them stays in the semi.