Austria AUSTRIA 2024 - Kaleen - We Will Rave

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Paco Roca]

So Dua Lipa published a new song on YT. Trending at #9. Okay let’s check it out, I kinda liked New Rules back then.

catchy beat, lots of skin, sensual moves, ended the video before the chorus around 25 seconds in. Forgot the name of the song already


it may sound incomprehensible to the world out there, but I don’t think this satisfying at all.

the world is not satisfying. It’s fallen in a wicked state and all we seek are distractions and entertainment through music, substances and soft pornography. I don’t care who looks good naked. I care about me having a relationship with the living god.

when rich people are equally unhappy than poor people than what does it tell us?
When they have all the money and nothing they buy makes them happy.

And what makes us happy? A music video with a catchy beat, selling out their bodies, marketing promiscuity and hedonism. Who is happy then?
Does Eurovision really make anyone happy or is it just a diversion and contributes to a lot of anxiety and depression? win or lose it doesn’t matter, too much quarreling in either case.

I am happy for you if I sound ridiculous to you because that is what unhappy people do, make others look ridiculous, but I would be happier if all of you had the peace of Christ and knew where you were going after this world is over for you


and just for the sake of the argument, every employee and student gets to own criticism but the producers of music in poor taste get to be treated as if they are perfect and fantastic? then why aren’t they on the charts. It’s a hate crime to criticise someone‘s music on social media nowadays, when is it a crime not to buy their songs I wonder?

I understand your thoughts and I may even agree but when I read your recurring messages on the Christ and the evil in the world you make me think of this scene

Ezekiel 25:17 (the ending)

Pulp Fiction

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[Lindon]

the good thing is that not many people will be taking a notice of her performance last night. on friday please use heavy backing vocals again. its time for her to deliver. there has been enough time for rehearsing.

And don't let her be alone on stage again.
The sound mix at that party was horrible.
Didn't they rehearse it prior?
And if you do acoustics then use heavy reverb like Loreen.

At least it didn't do much damage at the odds in the moment

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782690544998584733

 

[marty]

And don't let her be alone on stage again.
The sound mix at that party was horrible.
Didn't they rehearse it prior?
And if you do acoustics then use heavy reverb like Loreen.

At least it didn't do much damage at the odds in the moment

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782690544998584733

Dont worry. I think you overestimate the impact of that farewell party.
Soundwise all the pre parties are no good. On friday we will get the first live performance with a proper sound system. still the best sound system does not help a lot if you dont hit the notes. Kaleens main problem is that her voice just does not sound good in the porwerful parts.

 

[miramax09]

I personally no longer have any confidence that Kaleen will deliver live from an vocal perspective. It will remain an eternal mystery to me why ORF doesn't look for singing talent as a top priority in scouting. They can still sing a dance song. But it won't work that way and it's similar to Halo. I don't understand why the audition video from January sounded relatively clean. So far, no live performance has convinced me vocally, even not in Amsterdam where I was live in the Arena. I'm not saying that the song has to be sung mercilessly well, but please do sing at a slightly higher level than Apre Ski Karaoke. Sorry that I've lost my enthusiasm, but three years in a row with mediocre performances is too much for me, ORF should improve the live skill checks during auditions. I see totally a Pia Maria effect on this side and this is soooo sad!

 

[Lindon]

Amsterdam was still the best. I think for the first time she tried to sing the second verse lower at the Farewell Party. The higher version isn't good.
Let's hope the Swedish backup singer elevates it.

 

[miramax09]

Amsterdam was still the best. I think for the first time she tried to sing the second verse lower at the Farewell Party. The higher version isn't good.
Let's hope the Swedish backup singer elevates it.

90% dubbed by backing tracks and most of the tones totally unclean. Sure it's just a preparty but this was also the argument with Halo. I am sure ORF will deliver a pure live performance with no backing tracks but only backing vocalists. But I doubt that will be enough. Let's see how the rehearsals are doing it.

 

[Datura]

I personally no longer have any confidence that Kaleen will deliver live from an vocal perspective. It will remain an eternal mystery to me why ORF doesn't look for singing talent as a top priority in scouting. They can still sing a dance song. But it won't work that way and it's similar to Halo. I don't understand why the audition video from January sounded relatively clean. So far, no live performance has convinced me vocally, even not in Amsterdam where I was live in the Arena. I'm not saying that the song has to be sung mercilessly well, but please do sing at a slightly higher level than Apre Ski Karaoke. Sorry that I've lost my enthusiasm, but three years in a row with mediocre performances is too much for me, ORF should improve the live skill checks during auditions. I see totally a Pia Maria effect on this side and this is soooo sad!

i get what u mean, but a good / great vocal to an average song will not be enough to advance in the final, especially with only the public voting in the semis. so the priority in this case is towards the song / performance that has the best chances to stand out - with an average singer. (i know that's not ideal but you gotta work with what you got) kaleen was not that bad in the casting, if she was desastrous she wouldn't have got picked. i somehow think her vocals got worse, maybe the song is too fast (it's slightly faster than the demo) and the adlibs towards the end really need to go. i wonder why she misses the first note of the song in almost every performance...

 

[Datura]

90% dubbed by backing tracks and most of the tones totally unclean. Sure it's just a preparty but this was also the argument with Halo. I am sure ORF will deliver a pure live performance with no backing tracks but only backing vocalists. But I doubt that will be enough. Let's see how the rehearsals are doing it.

u mean the backing vocals will be sung completely live in malmö? i'm sure they will use all the prerecorded backing vocals that are possible and maybe additionally some live backups, but no way they will do without the prerecorded vocals

 

[miramax09]

i get what u mean, but a good / great vocal to an average song will not be enough to advance in the final, especially with only the public voting in the semis. so the priority in this case is towards the song / performance that has the best chances to stand out - with an average singer. (i know that's not ideal but you gotta work with what you got) kaleen was not that bad in the casting, if she was desastrous she wouldn't have got picked. i somehow think her vocals got worse, maybe the song is too fast (it's slightly faster than the demo) and the adlibs towards the end really need to go. i wonder why she misses the first note of the song in almost every performance...

The term "average singer" is even flattering for Kaleen's vocal skills. At the pre-parties, it was at the highest karaoke level, which surprises me, since the song was written for her voice, they say.

It also didn't help that the ORF compared her skills to Helene Fischer, especially with the statement that only Kaleen can do that except for Helene Fischer is clear after these live performances that these were pure marketing platitudes. You can argue about her musical style and commerciality, but not about Helene Fischer's live skills.

I wouldn't find wrong notes at the beginning so strange, as the artists obviously don't hear each other perfectly. I can understand that and the sound technology (especially the monitoring) will be better at the ESC. But where I don't understand it at all, and this is also the trigger for my, let's say, "negative emotion", is her farewell party, where the technology should have been absolutely tuned to her. And then she sings a completely disastrous acoustic version of a dance song. Who would come up with such an idea?

I still have a few kudos for Kaleen after she pulled off the performance in London with the costume malfunction so professionally. If you look closely at how she knotted her arms to hold her brassiere at both ends, that was impressive. Because we all know that: The Show Must Go On!

 

[miramax09]

u mean the backing vocals will be sung completely live in malmö? i'm sure they will use all the prerecorded backing vocals that are possible and maybe additionally some live backups, but no way they will do without the prerecorded vocals

In my opinion, ORF has always emphasized a live production when it comes to voices. Halo was produced completely live except for the "Haloooooohooo" in the chorus and WTHIE was also mostly live, only the "Poe Poe Poe "s were supported with backing tracks.

 

[HarryUK]

Still my favourite song of the year but weren’t we promised that she can sing and dance live…. Still waiting for the vocals

 

[Datura]

In my opinion, ORF has always emphasized a live production when it comes to voices. Halo was produced completely live except for the "Haloooooohooo" in the chorus and WTHIE was also mostly live, only the "Poe Poe Poe "s were supported with backing tracks.

you are right but i doubt it will be like that this time. the song is so heavily produced i think it would be a huge mistake to not rely on the prerecorded vocals. but yea we'll see

 

[marty]

i get what u mean, but a good / great vocal to an average song will not be enough to advance in the final, especially with only the public voting in the semis. so the priority in this case is towards the song / performance that has the best chances to stand out - with an average singer. (i know that's not ideal but you gotta work with what you got) kaleen was not that bad in the casting, if she was desastrous she wouldn't have got picked. i somehow think her vocals got worse, maybe the song is too fast (it's slightly faster than the demo) and the adlibs towards the end really need to go. i wonder why she misses the first note of the song in almost every performance...

I have the impression that in every live performance there is a different part she sings good (or lets say ok) and others she sings not that good. she just doesnt have control of her singing capacities. it will be purely a matter of chance wether we will get a good or a bad performance. what ORF should concern most is that the last part always really sounds awful. maybe they should change something there. we still can hope that a fantastic dance show will distract from the not so good singing.

 

[marty]

In my opinion, ORF has always emphasized a live production when it comes to voices. Halo was produced completely live except for the "Haloooooohooo" in the chorus and WTHIE was also mostly live, only the "Poe Poe Poe "s were supported with backing tracks.

I think that 99,99 % of the viewers dont care about backing vocals. its just impossible to perform that song without pre recorded vocals with just one live backing vocalist.

 

[Lindon]

Listen carefully to the questions and read between the lines. English subtitles available

 

[Datura]

I have the impression that in every live performance there is a different part she sings good (or lets say ok) and others she sings not that good. she just doesnt have control of her singing capacities. it will be purely a matter of chance wether we will get a good or a bad performance. what ORF should concern most is that the last part always really sounds awful. maybe they should change something there. we still can hope that a fantastic dance show will distract from the not so good singing.

well i've been told they've changed the final part several times already and have yet to find something that really works. i somehow think she / some people in her team are ignoring the fact how limited her vocals are tbh (otherwise how can u even come up with the idea to let her sing the song as a piano ballad eg. and they must have listened to the recordings of the preparties, so they must know what especially the ending sounds like. and if they haven't they are very ignorant and delusional)

i think she should leave out those adlibs at the end completely, they would sound dated with a great singer aswell and with her voice it's not a great idea. so far she hasnt danced that much so i'm afraid what this will sound like after 2:30min of dancing. still she was ok at the casting, and as you said she sometimes does some parts that are actually really nice. but there is no stability

 

[Datura]

Listen carefully to the questions and read between the lines. English subtitles available

i think i know what you mean

 

[Lindon]

Little less sugar coating. So it was a topic there:

 

[Datura]

Little less sugar coating. So it was a topic there:

Hm i think you mean that they said she cannot sing - what i hear them saying is that it doesnt matter if she can or not (and actually in the end they say she can ). I think the first clip you shared adresses it in a more subtle (and slighty shady but imo justified) way

 

[MooseShoes]

Why does the thread remind me of this every April/May