Austria AUSTRIA 2024 - Kaleen - We Will Rave

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Mainshow]

2022 and 2023 were NOT THAT GREAT of contests. There were so many songs that left something to desire and in both years a lot of people where underwhelmed with the winner naming other reasons than the quality of the song for its triumph. It's interesting how people already rewrite history.
I don't know how much about these rumours are legit and what Conchita (What is their pronoun right now BTW? I think it changed over the year) just spreading around to get focus on them. I always think coming back is a risky choice for a winner, especially when you were a true underdog the first time. If they will start again they would a) not have that, b) likewise having a much different style both aesthetically and music wise than with their winning song and c) would return the year after Loreen got a much-discussed win as another returning-winner.
I don't think it would be a good idea. The sticks are too high for an underwhelming result and frankly, I think it would backfire. Most people don't remember that Dana International represented Israel in the 2010s but everyone remembers her winning moment so I guess if she would flop it wouldn't have an impact on her legacy though.

There's nothing to "rewrite history" at.
Some hardcore fans lamenting about the quality of the contest (= not liking some songs) is not a fact or some sort of quality criterion. People have been underwhelmed with the winners since ABBA, tbh.
I even saw comments on "Euphoria" like "David Guetta reject", "90's Eurotrash" etc.

Apart from that, I agree with your post, though. Personally, I don't mind artists to return - it's just that winners have more pressure on them (I believe) and in the case of Conchita, I believe that she needs to come up with something very different to stand out (I partly believe she won because of the "surprising element of her performance" albeit the song was a great power ballad).

 

[Paco Roca]

Many speak of Conchita thinking that it can be traced back to the victorious return of Loreen. Personal opinion will not happen. Surely Austria could aim for an almost certain Top 10. Not only would Austria gain but also Conchita's career which has run aground.

 

[marty]

Conchitas first participation was very controversial, her second one would be too for sure. I dont see a risk for her. She is clever and would not return with such a weak song like Dana International and Alexander Rybak did. In the end it is always the match of song and artist that counts. I would be very surprised if we would see Conchita return in 2024. I think its not a good time in the year after Loreens second win. Maybe she will return 2025 after a long time of preparation looking for the right song and staging.

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

It would make sense if she returns in 2024 because of 10 year anniversary but also if she returns in 2025 that would be similar like in 2012 Loreen and 2 years later Conchita. I thought many people would love for her to come back. Me personally would love just to see her there because I wouldn't expect it, and when I watched Eurovision 2014 I loved the song from the first listening and I couldn't believe that it would eventually win (even though it was the only song I felt winning vibes).

Loreen and Conchita didn't compete in the same year and that's good for both. Loreen could only jeopardize chances to artists who compete in the same year as her. Anyway, let's wait for the news and for the song whoever gets to represent Austria.

 

[0scar]

Okay I'm gonna say it and I know I'm gonna be attacked for it but in my opinion and to me it feels like sending a former winner again is trying to score bonus points by going for the "It's a former winner!!" vibe, I felt that way with Loreen coming back this year and I'll probably feel the same if Conchita would return next year. And I think more people would feel that way and that's risk if you're aiming to win again.

I mean, it felt like Dana International in 2011 and Alexander Rybak in 2018 didn't actually aim for a win, but then I'm really not sure what's in it for a former winner to return to Eurovision as a competing artist.

 

[marty]

Okay I'm gonna say it and I know I'm gonna be attacked for it but in my opinion and to me it feels like sending a former winner again is trying to score bonus points by going for the "It's a former winner!!" vibe, I felt that way with Loreen coming back this year and I'll probably feel the same if Conchita would return next year. And I think more people would feel that way and that's risk if you're aiming to win again.

I mean, it felt like Dana International in 2011 and Alexander Rybak in 2018 didn't actually aim for a win, but then I'm really not sure what's in it for a former winner to return to Eurovision as a competing artist.

I understand that Conchita is a very relaxed person. She achieved a lot of things and is an independent artist now doing a lot of different things besides singing. I think she still leads a relatively modest life. Becoming a huge world star, receiving a Grammy..... I think thats not important to her anymore. Her attempt to win the ESC a second time will be different to Loreens very desperate attempt (though it was successful). If she wants it then ORF could not say no of course. But this time they should decide on her only together with the right song and concept for the show.

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

Every year there are returning artists. This year pasha parfeny, Loreen and I probably forgot someone. In 2024 it's rumoured that jedward will compete for third time. And I didn't see complaints about others.

I watched Conchita docus before and after Eurovision, her walking around in ubahn video, interviews so I can say that she is definitely one of my all time favourite Eurovision winners together with Loreen. I cannot wait for the Austrian song.

 

[SAYAY]

I have faith in you Austria You can do it

 

[0scar]

I understand that Conchita is a very relaxed person. She achieved a lot of things and is an independent artist now doing a lot of different things besides singing. I think she still leads a relatively modest life. Becoming a huge world star, receiving a Grammy..... I think thats not important to her anymore. Her attempt to win the ESC a second time will be different to Loreens very desperate attempt (though it was successful). If she wants it then ORF could not say no of course. But this time they should decide on her only together with the right song and concept for the show.

Lol weren't you the one agreeing with a post that was hoping for less negativity and bitterness? I have a hard time fitting "Loreens very desperate attempt" in that light

Surely as an Austrian you followed Conchita more than I did so sure, she should/could return if she has the full package to win if she wants to win another time, I personally wouldn't like seeing two former winners in a row winning for a second time because I like the freshness of someone new, and ORF should really be careful by picking her because "she wants to and they can't say no". I mean.. we picked a song written by Duncan Laurence this year and look how that turned out for us

 

[marty]

Lol weren't you the one agreeing with a post that was hoping for less negativity and bitterness? I have a hard time fitting "Loreens very desperate attempt" in that light

Surely as an Austrian you followed Conchita more than I did so sure, she should/could return if she has the full package to win if she wants to win another time, I personally wouldn't like seeing two former winners in a row winning for a second time because I like the freshness of someone new, and ORF should really be careful by picking her because "she wants to and they can't say no". I mean.. we picked a song written by Duncan Laurence this year and look how that turned out for us

Thats exactly what I was trying to say. I dont think (and neither wish) that she will return in 2024.

 

[Eidechse]

Wow you are from Austria and you don't support your own country. Why are you so negative eidechse? Austria is not Sweden? Nor is Italy Belgium.. Wtf are you trying to say. Didn't Austria win both jury and televote in 2014. I am pretty sure that Conchita wouldn't just be interested if her song isnt level quality of rise like a phoenix or even better. These news if true would make me the happiest guy in the world. This is about Eurovision legend who I hope is inspired by loreen win.. remember guys Ireland won in late 1990s one year after another for almost every time.

"Huge jurry support won't be there". And you based your opinion on nothing but assumption. What are you even talking about. Cha ha cha finished 4th in esc 2023 in jurry with one of weakest vocals.

I meant in the way that Ezio already said above. Sweden plays the jury game pushing for forced relevance within the industry which I don't support, Tattoo was made to just win the game. I don't support ORF bringing Conchita in like how Dana and Rybak for the sake of cashing in on their respective legendary status either.

Maybe ORF plays it smarter. Like what is already said here, we may wait with Conchita and give the songwriters time until they found the song/stage concept perfect for Conchita's eventual return. However, ORF doesn't play the same game as SVT, the stakes aren't high and we have a more relaxed approach to the contest.

 

[hungo]

Austria at Eurovision:
2022: banger + bad singer + bad staging
2023: banger + good singers + bad staging
lets go for 2024: banger + good singer(s) + good staging

 

[marty]

Some female acts I would like to see at Eurovision:

BEX

Mella Casata

LYLIT

OSKA

CHRISTL

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

Maybe in 2026.
I only heard the first one Nono punch. Rap+ Eurovision hardly something good. It worked for kalush from Ukraine and only because of current situation. @marty where do you see winning material for Eurovision in that song. I feel like you can hear that kind of song all over American radio stations.

I haven't heard rest of those songs.

Melata casata??? Really Marty??? Surprised at your taste. Too repetitive and same genre as who the hell is Edgar. Not genre, but instrumental.

Lylit good voice, atmospheric ballad but it didn't struck me. Conchita does it better.

Oska??? Really Marty??? More for radio than Eurovision. Where is the winning material. Where is umpfff in her voice. Got bored at the half listening.

Christel??? Really Marty?? Where is winning vibe in these songs. My god, it made me got asleep. Good for radio.

 

[rasmuslights]

Some female acts I would like to see at Eurovision:

BEX

Mella Casata

LYLIT

OSKA

CHRISTL

For me Oska and Christl would be great.

 

[rasmuslights]

Maybe in 2026.
I only heard the first one Nono punch. Rap+ Eurovision hardly something good. It worked for kalush from Ukraine and only because of current situation. @marty where do you see winning material for Eurovision in that song. I feel like you can hear that kind of song all over American radio stations.

I haven't heard rest of those songs.

Melata casata??? Really Marty??? Surprised at your taste. Too repetitive and same genre as who the hell is Edgar. Not genre, but instrumental.

Lylit good voice, atmospheric ballad but it didn't struck me. Conchita does it better.

Oska??? Really Marty??? More for radio than Eurovision. Where is the winning material. Where is umpfff in her voice. Got bored at the half listening.

Christel??? Really Marty?? Where is winning vibe in these songs. My god, it made me got asleep. Good for radio.

and who do you suggest?

Austria is just not full of potential Eurovision winning artists, I would say.

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

and who do you suggest?

Austria is just not full of potential Eurovision winning artists, I would say.

Somebody that already knows how Eurovision is done. Somebody with amazing vocal. Somebody who will grab our attention way way way more than any of average borderline unlistenable radio songs that @marty wrote. Ohh and I forgot to write about Nono punch that you can probably hear that in cardi b or Nicki Minaj latest tracks. Something that is assumingly very overproduced in America

 

[hungo]

True but I don't think we do ourselves a favour by showcasing artists with songs that don't go anywhere. Austrians know how to do classical and folk music. Pop, not so much. It's always very forced, moody, pseudo-sophisticated, not catchy at all. Vincent Bueno and Paenda are great examples..first 40 seconds you are hooked, OK, OK, cool, now gimme more. ..... Oh that's it? Meh.


"Funny" is a niche that seems to work for us. But I don't see us being able to able to deliver something like Unicorn or I Wrote A Song.

"Nobody but you" was a huge suprise in terms.of quality pop.

I guess marty suggested the artists, not the songs. there is not a big market for pop music in austria. but it is very rich in electronic and alternative. I dont think it is wise to limit the selection to a certain genre or exclude certain ones.

 

[PolarFoxxie.]

I think @marty wanted to show us the best songs those artists have to offer in his opinion and if that's the case no, thank you.

Austria is still the country I am mostly excited about. Ok Ireland and jedward as well, but way behind level of excitement I'm feeling about Austria.

 

[rasmuslights]

I think @marty wanted to show us the best songs those artists have to offer in his opinion and if that's the case no, thank you.

Austria is still the country I am mostly excited about. Ok Ireland and jedward as well, but way behind level of excitement I'm feeling about Austria.

Not Jedward and why Austria and Ireland? Two of the blandest Eurovision countries as of late.