Sweden SWEDEN 2017 - Robin Bengtsson - I Can't Go On

[midnightsun]

It's always the same: Swedes complaining about a song, song gets top 10 in ESC anyway!
I admit it's generic but this is top 10 material. There are, unfortunately, many songs like this this year. That fact annoys me but that doesn't mean there aren't some good songs amongst them. Copycats of popular radio songs are not as bad as trying to copy last year's winner (we had some of them in the history of ESC).

 

[VikingTiger]

I must admit that Sweden is sending the most handsome guy this year. I dont mind him and his friends showing the new H&M collection of suits.
I only wish he had the voice to go with the face. Robin's vocals are a bit nasal - and that is noticed already from the start. The song is ok, but I would probably have liked it a lot more with another singer with a voice that I could connect to. But then again - the visuals would most probably be loosing compared to what Robin has on offer...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Detailed semi-final and Andra Chansen votes are now out

No big surprises. Nano getting the most semi-final votes. It feels good Loreen was almost 100.000 votes behind Anton in AC and about 40.000 votes behind Jon-Henrik to qualify, it stings less that way. What surprises me the most is that Robin in the semi-final got less votes than Ace and Lisa Ajax. Roger Pontare was sooo close qualification but I think Dismissed deserved it. Also surprised Boris got more semi-final votes than De Vet Du when everything after the semi-final was against it (YouTube numbers, Spotify numbers etc.)

 

[Swedenvision]

Ok, this will be quite long but with all this discussions on the IJ power, I have to say that since they debuted in MF i have almost always agreed with their decisions if the Swedish viewers voted differently.

The first year with the presence of IJ was in 2009. That year we also had a Swedish jurie so the IJ was one separate group so they had no power then.
But the IJ favourite was Sarah Dawn Finer with Moving on and the Swedish viewers favourite was Malena Ernman with La Voix and she won.
in ESC Sweden was 21th in the final, Sarah would probably have done much better.

In 2010 the IJ hade more power but we still had the Swedish juries aswell.
The IJ favourite was Salem Al Fakir with Keep on Walkning and the Swedish televote and juries was Anna Bergandal, and we all know whats happend... Salem would have done better.

In 2011 we had only the IJ and televote and both favored Eric Saade with Popular.


In 2012 both IJ and televote favored Loreen, thank god for that.


2013 the IJ wanted Robin Stjernberg and televote Yohio and Robin won. But to be honest this was a really bad year in MF and i don´t think Yohio would have done better, mabye even worser?

In 2014 IJ had Ace Wilder as a favourite and Sanna Nielsen was the televote winner. This is the only time i have not agreed with IJ, but at the same time i think Ace also would have scored very high in ESC.

2015 IJ and televote agreed on Måns Zelmerlöw.


Last year the IJ favourite was Oscar Zia, although it was very close. Televote wanted Frans and he won. Yeah we came in 5th place but mabye we could got a even better result with Oscar. At least Oscar had a even better song...

So imo IJ is the best that ever happend to MF, i would like to have them i semi-finals also, that would probably saved Loreen this year...

 

[Krishoes]

Still upset, after so many years, about Salem Al Fakir´s failure 1

 

[A-lister]

[MENTION=13727]Swedenvision[/MENTION]

Interesting analyze, not sure I agree though, let's see hmm...

Back in the day I supported Malena in 2009, today I wouldn't touch that crap though so, that doesn't mean that Sarah Dawn Finer's entry would be my choice though. It might have faired better in ESC than Malena, but if I could revise that edition I would have voted Caroline af Ugglas or perhaps Emilia to ESC, they had some personality wheres Sarah's entry was simply a formulaic milked down English version of "Molitva" and similar ballads from ESC during that period, too kitschy and in the same time standardized.

As for 2010, I think I have to agree with you that Salem al Fakir would have faired better than Anna, but I would have personally sent Timoteij to ESC which was catchy, ethnic and in Swedish and I think it could have ended up top. 10 even. I do however like Anna's entry, I don't care if we "flopped", I'm proud of that entry and we would have qualified based on televotes alone and the fact that juries preferred some dreadfully cliché ballads over a more subtle nice one is saying more about their taste than our entry.

2011 faired well in ESC, but I think Loreen could have won already back in 2011, also I would have preferred Linda Bengtzing over Eric, although I admit that Eric would have probably faired better, but Linda would be fun and different for Sweden, something more local.

2012, well that goes without saying.

2013 Yohio would be a catastrophe, Robin didn't fair too well, but for being an entry that was already qualified it did ok. I agree the year was a bit weak, perhaps Anton Ewald might have faired a bit better, considering Eric Saade did good in 2011, and they are a bit similar yet I think Begging is a stronger song, all in all though I think we sent the best what we could offer that year.

As for 2014, It's hard to say how Ace would have faired in ESC, Sanna was a pretty safe choice for us, but I still think Ace had the strongest entry so here I agree with the IJ.

2015 was a really bad year for MF, I guess Måns' was the outstanding one, but I personally was never a big fan of that one even if it won whole ESC, but the year was so weak I can't think of any better option.

2016 Neither Oscar or Frans had good entries, in fact I think Oscar would have faired worse in ESC (although I'm a bit surprised that Frans did as good as he did, but then again even if I don't like the song it has some integrity, Oscar's entry sounded way too formulaic). I think Ace, Panetoz and even SaRaha would have been better options, I know the two latter could struggle with jury votes in ESC though, but atleast they are fun and guilty-pleasure-ish

 

[DanielLuis]

The point is really going over people's heads. It's not the IJ that is overpowered, it's the televoting that is underpowered! It's the app voting that is destroying the televoting power!

Looking at how close every single vote is, it's obvious a big majority of voters is throwing their 5 free votes per song at every song. The consequence of that is that the difference between the least voted song and the most voted song by televoters, in terms of points, is as small as the difference between the IJ's most voted song and 2nd most voted song!

SVT need to sort the app out, either with everybody getting 5 free votes but only being able to distribute those 5 votes for all the songs, instead of having 5 free votes per song, or just cancel the app voting and go back to how things were before 2015. Back then things worked well, and the IJ system was the same.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

[MENTION=13727]Swedenvision[/MENTION] Robin was ranked 3rd out of 26 by the Eurovision juries and I don't think Oscar would've done better, Eurovision 2016 featured many dramatic powerful entries (Oscar would've just made one more) while Frans was simple, charming and catchy and I think no one did what Frans did last year

 

[A-lister]

The point is really going over people's heads. It's not the IJ that is overpowered, it's the televoting that is underpowered! It's the app voting that is destroying the televoting power!

Looking at how close every single vote is, it's obvious a big majority of voters is throwing their 5 free votes per song at every song. The consequence of that is that the difference between the least voted song and the most voted song by televoters, in terms of points, is as small as the difference between the IJ's most voted song and 2nd most voted song!

SVT need to sort the app out, either with everybody getting 5 free votes but only being able to distribute those 5 votes for all the songs, instead of having 5 free votes per song, or just cancel the app voting and go back to how things were before 2015. Back then things worked well, and the IJ system was the same.

Yeah this, I don't get the system really, it just makes people vote generally for alot of entries leaving the public vote actually with less impact than if the voting had a more "old school" system.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think it would be perfect if they tuned the app so that each voter got 5 votes in total. The voter can choose to give them all to one entry/give 5 entries 1 vote/3 votes to 1 entry and 2 votes to another entry etc. I think it would make it more like the older televoting days before 2015

 

[alca]

Looking at how close every single vote is, it's obvious a big majority of voters is throwing their 5 free votes per song at every song.

I can confirm that. There was a family in front of me in Friends and they kept voting for all the songs.

By the way, does anybody know if there's a limit on SMS/calls when it comes to voting for a song in MF?

 

[Swedenvision]

I can confirm that. There was a family in front of me in Friends and they kept voting for all the songs.

By the way, does anybody know if there's a limit on SMS/calls when it comes to voting for a song in MF?

The limit for sms voting is 20 times, i tried to vote 30 times on Loreen in AC but got back that i voted 20 times.
Calls i don't now however.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I can confirm that. There was a family in front of me in Friends and they kept voting for all the songs.

This is kind of funny

I bet there is a limit of televotes as well after the 2014 (2013) voting robot scandal

 

[ESCada]

Still upset, after so many years, about Salem Al Fakir´s failure 1

Literally my TWIN
I still occasionally listen to "Keep On Walking" such a classic

 

[Swedenvision]

A-lister

I want to add that i also had other favourites those years that not necesery was IJ winner or televote winner.

But i wanted to compare IJ winner vs televote winner, and in most of the cases i think IJ favourite would have done better.

 

[JimmyJump]

My god sweden pisses me so off! I'm so tired that sweden is always so overrated no matter what they send! They can send a guy farting 3 minutes long and they still are overrated!

 

[SwedishFailurez]

I think it would be perfect if they tuned the app so that each voter got 5 votes in total. The voter can choose to give them all to one entry/give 5 entries 1 vote/3 votes to 1 entry and 2 votes to another entry etc. I think it would make it more like the older televoting days before 2015

Good point!
Either that way or if you only can vote once. That will make the voter to think twice before they vote with the app. The margin will be even larger and fairer.

 

[HatarWebbsidor]

My god sweden pisses me so off! I'm so tired that sweden is always so overrated no matter what they send! They can send a guy farting 3 minutes long and they still are overrated!

If any country sends a guy farting for 3 minutes they ALL will be overrated no matter what country the guy comes from.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

My god sweden pisses me so off! I'm so tired that sweden is always so overrated no matter what they send! They can send a guy farting 3 minutes long and they still are overrated!

* remembers Spain in 2008 outscoring Sweden *

 

[SwedishFailurez]

^^^
The mid 00's was an embarrassing era for Sweden and I don't want to experience that again. But I agree that Sweden (or rather Björkman & Co) should not get away with sending mediocre stuff just to be top 5 unfairly.
Even if they are making huge profits of melodifestivalen, most of the entries feel way to cliched and lack the wow-factor needed for a deserving eurovision-victory. I want more risky and unusual swedish entries to be loved by fans again. Euphoria was hyped back then not only becase it was ''Swedish'', Euphoria was a really good song which challenged the esc-bubble of what a great winning-favorite could be.