Possible new rule for Grand Final Televoting

[soundofsilence]

Just do the Jr eurovision system

Erm, that’s going to cause more problems. The only reason you don’t hear that is because they’re too young to understand math, or politics.

 

[hijirio]

Bin the 20 votes you can use as you like, and make it so you can for any and all participants (except your own country, of course), but you can only 1 time for each.

gone are the days were, even if you cheat with multiple credit cards, your 20 - 40 - 60 votes or however many credit cards you have, will be reduced to 1 - 2 - 3 votes.

It will get rid of spam voters and level the playing field.

I don't like the idea of being limited in how many I can vote for, but I'm fine with only being able to cast 1 vote for each.

Applying a "1 vote per person" rule is sooo unrealistic. Public broadcasters earn hundreds of thousands of euros from these votes, it’s a major source of revenue for them. And honestly, such rule could actually make the system easier to manipulate.

Most regular fans would stick to one vote, but those looking to manipulate the system would just buy extra SIM cards or find other workarounds. In smaller countries, where each vote carries more weight, this kind of manipulation could have an even bigger impact compared to fans also being able to vote multiple times.

Let’s be real - the only viable solution at this point is to ban Israel. Enough is enough. Show them the door. NAO.
EBU can absolutely find excuses to ban countries, yall have done it before.
Keep their entry on hold until 3 days before the deadline, suddenly tell them to change it, and before they have time to submit a new one, say the deadline passed and they will be banned for 2 years. Yall did it for Belarus.

 

[Slabsson79]

Let’s be real - the only viable solution at this point is to ban Israel. Enough is enough. Show them the door. NAO.
EBU can absolutely find excuses to ban countries, yall have done it before.
Keep their entry on hold until 3 days before the deadline, suddenly tell them to change it, and before they have time to submit a new one, say the deadline passed and they will be banned for 2 years. Yall did it for Belarus.

So you are basically telling EBU to act against basic legal principles and in breach of their own standards. You do realize that despite a loud group that wants to make the ESC judenrein such a procedure would harm the EBU. Either the process of excluding Israel is transparent and based on feasible grounds or it is a sham. Just because the Israel-bashers consider their opinion the only valid and a majority one, does not mean it is so.
So again, the EBU needs to act transparent and on a solid legal basis when taking such ultima ratio steps.

 

[hijirio]

So you are basically telling EBU to act against basic legal principles and in breach of their own standards. You do realize that despite a loud group that wants to make the ESC judenrein such a procedure would harm the EBU. Either the process of excluding Israel is transparent and based on feasible grounds or it is a sham. Just because the Israel-bashers consider their opinion the only valid and a majority one, does not mean it is so.
So again, the EBU needs to act transparent and on a solid legal basis when taking such ultima ratio steps.

Replace Israel with Belarus or Russia in your statement and save me the moral gymnastics.

 

[Slabsson79]

Replace Israel with Belarus or Russia in your statement and save me the moral gymnastics.

No need to replace anything. My argument stands as it is.

 

[Ferryman]

Yeah, televote definitely has some issues and a specific songwriting team is notorious for their cheating and they've been doing it for years and no one does anything about it.


But first thing's first - Israel should get expelled.

Just which song writing team has been cheating, and how?

 

[GermanBango]

Having an open discussion with some people in here is literally impossible. How is accusing people of antisemitism helping with the obvious problems at hand? My god… truly ridiculous. Never have been more thankful for the ignore button.

 

[Betwixt Tales]

Applying a "1 vote per person" rule is sooo unrealistic. Public broadcasters earn hundreds of thousands of euros from these votes, it’s a major source of revenue for them. And honestly, such rule could actually make the system easier to manipulate.

Most regular fans would stick to one vote, but those looking to manipulate the system would just buy extra SIM cards or find other workarounds. In smaller countries, where each vote carries more weight, this kind of manipulation could have an even bigger impact compared to fans also being able to vote multiple times.

Let’s be real - the only viable solution at this point is to ban Israel. Enough is enough. Show them the door. NAO.
EBU can absolutely find excuses to ban countries, yall have done it before.
Keep their entry on hold until 3 days before the deadline, suddenly tell them to change it, and before they have time to submit a new one, say the deadline passed and they will be banned for 2 years. Yall did it for Belarus.

Manipulate? Like I wrote, even if people cheat the system, it would only be by one vote – not 20. Not much of a manipulation in that.

And up until last year, we were only able to vote once for an entry in my country, so I'm not sure your theory about votes being a cash machine holds water. And it's definitely not "sooo unrealistic".

And we can all agree about Israel's participation, but that's not the discussion in this thread.

 

[seriouslyscratchy1]

I think after all this time - it wasn't the juries that were the issue, it was the televote

 

[Sammy]

Me and my popcorn enjoying to watch people who booed the juries for years and praising televote as „democracy“ (which it never was and never was intended to be) now bashing televote and praising juries once the result is not what they personally want. (not targeting any specific member here if course, just the general tone)

 

[rasmuslights]

Me and my popcorn enjoying to watch people who booed the juries for years and praising televote as „democracy“ (which it never was and never was intended to be) now bashing televote and praising juries once the result is not what they personally want. (not targeting any specific member here if course, just the general tone)

I’ve been a jury defender since day one!

 

[Sammy]

I’ve been a jury defender since day one!

me too. And I haven‘t changed my mind.
That’s why I‘m enjoying what’s going on atm.

 

[Slabsson79]

me too. And I haven‘t changed my mind.
That’s why I‘m enjoying what’s going on atm.

Each system has a flaw and i doubt we will ever find a panacea to all the perceived defficiencies of voting, be it televote or jury. Maybe AI will one day enter the chat

 

[seriouslyscratchy1]

I always disagreed with the televote and always agreed with juries.

The only exception is Junior Eurovision 2024

 

[Harry]

I’m not sure where the jury issue has come about when it’s quite clear the televote is the aspect that needs investigating… too many accusations flying around to ignore. They should be taken as seriously as the one that didn’t materialise against Joost Klein last year….

 

[Slabsson79]

too many accusations flying around to ignore. They should be taken as seriously as the one that didn’t materialise against Joost Klein last year….

Coming from the law enforcement branch i think it is best to assess, whether an initial suspicion, coming from the accuasations, is present and investigate accordingly. C.S.I EBU Geneve calling...

 

[Trece]

OK but what actually is the difference between Russia and Israel, because I struggle to see one?

Countries like that should have no place at esc.

Main difference that russia invaded an active ESC participant (so anti russia vote can go to Ukraine) and İsrael is dealing with not related to ESC or Europe country (if Palestine has participated last or this year they would have won i am sure million %)

 

[GermanBango]

So even members of European Parliament are now urging the EBU to look into the voting and to ban government funded ad campaigns. Guess it gets increasingly harder for the EBU to ignore the issues.

 

[Sammy]

So even members of European Parliament are now urging the EBU to look into the voting and to ban government funded ad campaigns. Guess it gets increasingly harder for the EBU to ignore the issues.

13 out of over 700 precisely. There are dozens of initiatives signed by way more MEPs that you'll never hear of in the media on a daily bases. This will have zero impact. Especially because the EBU has NOTHING to do with the European Parliament. And I bet most of those 13 haven't watched the ESC once before.

Everyone who understands the politics in Strassburg and Brussels knows that this kind of initiative is more an attempt to please your own voters than acting on the actual issue itself. Especially if the parliament has no means to do something in the issue like in this case.

 

[Slabsson79]

13 out of over 700 precisely. There are dozens of initiatives signed by way more MEPs that you'll never hear of in the media on a daily bases. This will have zero impact. Especially because the EBU has NOTHING to do with the European Parliament. And I bet most of those 13 haven't watched the ESC once before.

Everyone who understands the politics in Strassburg and Brussels knows that this kind of initiative is more an attempt to please your own voters than acting on the actual issue itself. Especially if the parliament has no means to do something in the issue like in this case.

Indeed. The EBUs seat is in Genf, so not even kn the EU and many ESC participants are not EU members. This is clearly a political Initiative with no relevance to the EBU.
And just looked at at the signatories and who would have guessed it: Rima Hassan among them too bad that those clowns Daly and Wallace were not re-elected, i am sure they would have spearheaded this.