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Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!
 
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Maybe it's time for Israel to do a Norway 1995. That would do the trick.
Or maybe like Spain 1968! But since La la La has already been done, they would have to use something else to avoid copyright maybe?

"Na na na?"

"Ladidadida"?

"Oh la la, oh la la"?

"Hei lå li lå la?"
 

ekzuu

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Say nanana 2.... oh, na is in Palestina... nevermind
 

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There is one thing regarding terror that i think you should know, when you show fear, it grows and become wilder, it gives motivation to other terror groups to copy these actions, it makes them think that in this way they will have achievements. you dont tolerate terror or surender to their wishes, you eliminate them.
Palestinians shouldn't tolerate Israeli terror, they should eliminate it
 

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One you understand that they banned Russia for problems with its LOCAL broadcast you will get all the answers. You mixed things up here.

Lol. EBU banned Russia because otherwise Russia would have been alone on that stage. Everybody menaced to withdraw in 2022. I remember EBU was hugely critizised for taking all that time to ban Russia.
 

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EBU didn't ban Russia. EBU excluded them from 2022's contest. This happened after Russia had confirmed its participation and multiple countries protested (mainly Ukraine, Baltics, Nordics and Poland). If it wasn't for countries protesting, EBU would not have done anything. Russian broadcaster later withdrew from the EBU.

EBU will always try to dip its hand in every pot unless the majority of its members protest. This is why they let Israel take part and keep giving them chances (not many countries protested since it's less black and white compared to Ukraine-Russia war), because at the very end, it's all about $$$ for EBU. EBU are the organizers and ultimately are in blame for stretching this whole deal out and not being stern enough.
 

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So the government of Israel is trying to shut KAN down
and EBU worries about that...
And time is clicking. If their public broadcaster faces problems like this on top of everything, a ban/withdraw from ESC seems to me like the best idea for both sides.
 

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So the government of Israel is trying to shut KAN down
and EBU worries about that...
And time is clicking. If their public broadcaster faces problems like this on top of everything, a ban/withdraw from ESC seems to me like the best idea for both sides.
Now that's a concern for israels participation. They banned Belarus under similar concerns.
 

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So the government of Israel is trying to shut KAN down
and EBU worries about that...
And time is clicking. If their public broadcaster faces problems like this on top of everything, a ban/withdraw from ESC seems to me like the best idea for both sides.
Woah, that's quite bad
 
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We fallin to pieceses
 

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ynet reporting it looks like Hurricane will be accepted by the EBU.

 

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Here is a brief article in English on the latest development.


However, according to the Ynet article:

"Several officials at the Foreign Ministry expressed cautious optimism - and told Ynet that unofficial messages were sent to them that the European Broadcasting Union is expected to approve the new song, if there are no unexpected developments.

"'The feedback we received is good,' said the officials, but added the required caution. We have already seen that in this story anything can happen.

"The deadline for submitting the songs is March 11, so if they still decide to create difficulties in the European Broadcasting Union, time is not on Israel's side."
 

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Okay, so my guess is, IF the song gets accepted and they don't withdraw, which can still happen, they're going to make a bunch of ridiculous demands, like:

Can you GUARANTEE our participants will be safe? ABSOLUTELY guarantee?!?
Can you GUARANTEE they won't be subject to any harassment or protests while in Malmö?
Can you guarantee there won't be any protests outside the ESC arena?
Can you guarantee they won't be asked any difficult or political questions?
Can you guarantee there won't be ANY political comments by any of the TV commentators?
Can you guarantee there won't be any booing, etc.... they'll just keep on making impossible demands, and then withdraw claiming they've been discriminated against, which of course was their plan all along.

There is just no way they're serious about competing this year. They have to know they won't get any support. Even if they intend to make it all the way to actually performing, they know they're gonna flop and be subject to protests. It's a political stunt.
 

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Okay, so my guess is, IF the song gets accepted and they don't withdraw, which can still happen, they're going to make a bunch of ridiculous demands, like:

Can you GUARANTEE our participants will be safe? ABSOLUTELY guarantee?!?
Can you GUARANTEE they won't be subject to any harassment or protests while in Malmö?
Can you guarantee there won't be any protests outside the ESC arena?
Can you guarantee they won't be asked any difficult or political questions?
Can you guarantee there won't be ANY political comments by any of the TV commentators?
Can you guarantee there won't be any booing, etc.... they'll just keep on making impossible demands, and then withdraw claiming they've been discriminated against, which of course was their plan all along.

There is just no way they're serious about competing this year. They have to know they won't get any support. Even if they intend to make it all the way to actually performing, they know they're gonna flop and be subject to protests. It's a political stunt.

I don´t know what´s ridiculous about asking for safety?? And as you seemingly know the future can you please tell me the next lottery numbers?? :LOL:
 

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Okay, so my guess is, IF the song gets accepted and they don't withdraw, which can still happen, they're going to make a bunch of ridiculous demands, like:

Can you GUARANTEE our participants will be safe? ABSOLUTELY guarantee?!?
Can you GUARANTEE they won't be subject to any harassment or protests while in Malmö?
Can you guarantee there won't be any protests outside the ESC arena?
Can you guarantee they won't be asked any difficult or political questions?
Can you guarantee there won't be ANY political comments by any of the TV commentators?
Can you guarantee there won't be any booing, etc.... they'll just keep on making impossible demands, and then withdraw claiming they've been discriminated against, which of course was their plan all along.

There is just no way they're serious about competing this year. They have to know they won't get any support. Even if they intend to make it all the way to actually performing, they know they're gonna flop and be subject to protests. It's a political stunt.
you are assuming too many things that might not even happen...how about despite all of the hatred israel makes it to fthe final and finish top 3? there are many silent israeli supporters that will vote, and if we take into consideration that israel sends one of the best singers it ever sent, anything can jappen,,,Eden is a very very strong contender to win the contest only for her voice, im sure they wont waste eden for bad song
 

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Eden is a very very strong contender to win the contest only for her voice, im sure they wont waste eden for bad song
You've send another Eden with a great voice and you've only given her mediocre songs to sing. Israel's track record for picking good songs isn't good. Your track record in general isn't great, your delegation just isn't competent, something we have in common.
Also Eurovision isn't "TheVoice" you won't win by having a good singer alone, other countries have those too.

Also it's already quite certain that Israel won't win the jury vote this year. They will try to not look politically motivated just like 2022. And you also certainly won't landslide the televote like Ukraine in 2022. Not with Croatia, Netherlands and Italy in the ring with their entries and Israel simply doesn't have the same support Ukraine has.

there are many silent israeli supporters that will vote
Looking at polls, sympathy for Israel is sinking constantly across Europe (link to a german site might need to translate).
That poll is already 3 months old. So 8 months later it won't be any better. Most supporters of Israel hate muslims and terrorists, but don't feel any connection towards Israel since you are pretty foreign for most Europeans. A lot of people are also pretty uncertain and don't really actively "root" for anyone and just want the violence to end (like me).
If Bashar was still there people would've likely voted more for Israel out of spite, but he's not there, so that's gone.

Can you GUARANTEE our participants will be safe? ABSOLUTELY guarantee?!?
But that's still a reasonable demand tho?
Queer people in homophobic host countries should be able to make the same demands and not be forced to resign because EBU can't be arsed to protect them. Sure the Israel situation is more extreme, but still. If the EBU wants them to participate they have to make sure they are safe and if they can't and don't want to make it sure, then they should kick them out beforehand. Can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want Eden in Malmö, keep her safe 🤷‍♂️
 

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The Walloon and Flemish government (:be:) don't want Israel to participate in the current context, "as long as the attacks keep on causing civilian casualties in Gaza". They have asked their respective broadcasters (RTBF & VRT) to relay this within the EBU.

Seems like pressure is increasing and most likely will continue so the coming weeks.
 

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You've send another Eden with a great voice and you've only given her mediocre songs to sing. Israel's track record for picking good songs isn't good. Your track record in general isn't great, your delegation just isn't competent, something we have in common.
Also Eurovision isn't "TheVoice" you won't win by having a good singer alone, other countries have those too.

Also it's already quite certain that Israel won't win the jury vote this year. They will try to not look politically motivated just like 2022. And you also certainly won't landslide the televote like Ukraine in 2022. Not with Croatia, Netherlands and Italy in the ring with their entries and Israel simply doesn't have the same support Ukraine has.


Looking at polls, sympathy for Israel is sinking constantly across Europe (link to a german site might need to translate).
That poll is already 3 months old. So 8 months later it won't be any better. Most supporters of Israel hate muslims and terrorists, but don't feel any connection towards Israel since you are pretty foreign for most Europeans. A lot of people are also pretty uncertain and don't really actively "root" for anyone and just want the violence to end (like me).
If Bashar was still there people would've likely voted more for Israel out of spite, but he's not there, so that's gone.


But that's still a reasonable demand tho?
Queer people in homophobic host countries should be able to make the same demands and not be forced to resign because EBU can't be arsed to protect them. Sure the Israel situation is more extreme, but still. If the EBU wants them to participate they have to make sure they are safe and if they can't and don't want to make it sure, then they should kick them out beforehand. Can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want Eden in Malmö, keep her safe 🤷‍♂️
i truly believe that eden is a world wide star in potential, she is not just another singer with great voice, she is in the top level that we dont see often in eurovision. you will see that in the juries she will be favorite
 
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