Liam
Active member
Following this on from a huge thread made by Sean, which has now become filled with posts by NSC roster members (including myself). I posted a few days ago that WLers should have a more weighted decision on their future, so made this thread for them to discuss amongst themselves. Here is what he had to say:
Please can ONLY WLers discuss this, and roster members can continue their discussion back in the original thread. I feel this thread is the only way to allow WLers to decide what their best solution would be without being told otherwise or interrupted by people like me who don't really know how it feels to be on the current WL.
As a mod, I know that we have a major issue in NSC. I've been a bit slack over getting something done, but the problem isn't going away and I know that. The discussions have died off lately but if we're ever going to make a smart move that both waiting listers and NSC members can feel happy about then we're going to have to agree on a thoroughly thought-out, decent and effective proposal for the problem.
At the minute, our waiting list to join the Nation Song Contest looks like this...
1. Megasalt (Jéru) (NSC 86?)
2. lowyby (Brughentwerp) (NSC 86?)
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3. AntiAtom (Aspirinia)
4. kopachka (Ujedinjeni Gvozd)
5. VasilijeM (Denmark of Peace)
6. Charlyje (Marrakechia)
7. RomanFromRussia (Singeneria)
8. Sim (Genext) (missed 1 vote)
9. Lotus2003/F1Fan (Leonesia & St. Lotus)
10. Sahistul (ChessLand)
11. Okan (Chocolate Empire)
12. Salmon (Lithia)
13. Yoni (Cherniya)
14. Gera11 (Bigicia)
15. theditz83 (Moisantia)
16. Staewi (Social Republic of Indiria)
17. Haustor (United Huts of Haustor)
18. Mozz (Zumkotzen)
19. amateur (Lerkhatum)
20. Gogerko (Spalato) (missed 1 vote)
21. conwel97 (Tanadia)
22. Sony (Bergonic Republic)
23. mladen (Hundred Islands)
24. AdelAdel (Adelland)
25. EdvinasLTU (Randomia)
26. Archer (Vamos Bien)
The previously amended rule of "two strikes and you're out" has helped to reduce the size of the waiting list, as the more inactive members are removed more rapidly, but the list still begins to grow at a steady rate, and the amount of time people have been waiting grows longer and longer. (As you'll notice, Gringotts has withdrawn due to a lack of interest - the fact that they didn't even make it into NSC before losing interest shows that we have a major issue).
So, what is there that can be done? Previous discussions have thrown up some decent suggestions...
• Increasing the size of the roster by a multiple of 2 (i.e. 62/64/66)
Personally, I think this is the main quick fix that we can do to get movement of people into the roster. I've previously been opposed to this but with a small increase we at least let off some steam without compromising the host's ability to deal with added pressure. I know it's not foolproof though, and sooner or later this won't help either.
• Drastic overhaul of the contest's layout (i.e. a three semi-system)
See here for details of what a plan like this could be like
As you can see, we already had a poll on a system like this which totally divided opinion; many were for it, many more were against it. It's a drastic solution but the current two-semi formula could be seen as rather unsustainable if we want to continue NSC and allow more people to join us.
• NSC 2
This has really divided and split opinion, the proposal here is to create another contest just like NSC for the other waiting listers to take part in. Maybe it'd take away the integrity and magic of NSC? Maybe it'd be just what we're looking for? That's up to you to discuss...
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Thanks David, we'll consider this as a possible solution too. No? Okay, moving on...
• "Make joining the waiting list harder" - Heiki
Imposing a limit based on activity/post count/amount of time as a member etc. before you can join the waiting list may help to reduce the size of the list, although it remains to be seen what kind of effect this would have on the reduction of time actually waiting to join.
• Allowing the Waiting Listers at the top to enter based on roster members taking breaks/not entering certain editions
A good idea in practice, although this raises questions about these waiting list nations not being able to have a continuous streak of participations, something which they may desire to maintain once they join for real
I can't find any other major suggestions that we've had so far, but we need to do something. The problem isn't getting any better and I know we're not going to get full approval of a scheme but we have to find something that works for the majority of people. If there seems to be enough significant support amongst NSC members for an idea then I will open an official poll to gauge enthusiasm, and if the scheme passes this we can have a think about implementing it full-time.
So then, what are your thoughts on all of this? Feel free to discuss below, as long as you keep within the rules of the forum of course
Please can ONLY WLers discuss this, and roster members can continue their discussion back in the original thread. I feel this thread is the only way to allow WLers to decide what their best solution would be without being told otherwise or interrupted by people like me who don't really know how it feels to be on the current WL.
