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United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2021 - James Newman - Embers
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It's enjoyable, but nothing spectacular, something I don't mind listening to but wouldn't necessarily want to listen to again. It's good enough to avoid being in the bottom again I guess, as there are ENOUGH songs out that are going for that bottom 5 place (looking at you, 
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Okkk there is a lot to take from this entry tbh, and I'll get through the negatives first. It's not my style, i can't imagine choosing to listen to it again on my own, but if it played i wouldn't skip it. I also think there is many elements that could be better, especially when you consider the apparent calibre of the team who wrote it.
There is more positives to take from this though,
. First and foremost it's a credible entry that represents our music scene and what is on our radios. Now to each person that could be bad or good (my case bad as i hate our music scene), but the fact we finally have an entry that fits our music scene is a huge step forward. The only other entry this side of the millennium i think that would be close to representative is Blue in 2011. The fact it's self written also, there is a bigger degree of authenticity with it and I think it fits James well. I'm happy the Danish songwriting camps of cookie cutter production line mediocrity is a thing of the past. I also think there is a lot of potential to look great and elevate live if they nail it. That part is a big ask from the BBC but they've done it in the past... how well it will do, idk tbh. The fact it's a credible entry and representative of our music scene is enough to make me happy it's our entry.
There is more positives to take from this though,
. First and foremost it's a credible entry that represents our music scene and what is on our radios. Now to each person that could be bad or good (my case bad as i hate our music scene), but the fact we finally have an entry that fits our music scene is a huge step forward. The only other entry this side of the millennium i think that would be close to representative is Blue in 2011. The fact it's self written also, there is a bigger degree of authenticity with it and I think it fits James well. I'm happy the Danish songwriting camps of cookie cutter production line mediocrity is a thing of the past. I also think there is a lot of potential to look great and elevate live if they nail it. That part is a big ask from the BBC but they've done it in the past... how well it will do, idk tbh. The fact it's a credible entry and representative of our music scene is enough to make me happy it's our entry.
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SwedishFailurez
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Not bad at all. This is not the ironic San Marino act we might have wanted, but Embers is an improvement from last year. This song is neat can see the juries liking this even if Embers isn't mindblowing or anything outstanding. The song is quite average and generic but it's not boring at least.
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Generic, but it works.
I'm sold to the package James brings us this year. This is surely not an ethereal bliss like Switzerland or an ethnic adrenaline rusher like San Marino, but this does reflect something that UK has in their music scene and not a dated train-wreck (2019), a song-not-matching-their-singer (2018), or just plain awful (2015). At the very least, I'm not gonna be embarrassed with the UK this year, welcome to James and accept my biggest respect!
Ironically, even if I don't wanna admit it, this is my thing. The arrangement is not the most mind-blowing, but as a dance track it does make your foot step and your shoulders to bump up (also, the bass SLAPS. HARD.). The pre-chorus might be the weakest part since the percussion kind of messed it up, and the verses are the best parts of the song and I love listening to it. The chorus also slaps even though not as hard as the verses, I feel it's pretty typical for a dance song. The brasses really helped me cope with the loss of Blasemafian.
There's two things I see as a weak point of the song. One, even if James has collaborated with lots of dance producers, he needs to deliver a hefty amount of swag for this to work on stage. I feel he can actually deliver it, but needs to be encouraged so that he can bring a presence equivalent to Rein Alexander. Two, if we want him to succeed, we need to support and hype him no matter what. I'm a bit disappointed of the pessimism sometimes, so I hope we won't waste that on a good/great entry.
One more note: we haven't had an idea of who will stage this. If it turns out to be Halsey's set designer again, we might hit a jackpot.
Is too high? I'm really looking forward to use this to jog tomorrow.
EDIT: NOPE THIS IS GETTING THE GOLDEN POINT
You're hoping sincerity when you realize how many totally insincere trash the UK brings in the past? At least there's sparks of sincerity in this one, and we're grateful for it!
I'm sold to the package James brings us this year. This is surely not an ethereal bliss like Switzerland or an ethnic adrenaline rusher like San Marino, but this does reflect something that UK has in their music scene and not a dated train-wreck (2019), a song-not-matching-their-singer (2018), or just plain awful (2015). At the very least, I'm not gonna be embarrassed with the UK this year, welcome to James and accept my biggest respect!
Ironically, even if I don't wanna admit it, this is my thing. The arrangement is not the most mind-blowing, but as a dance track it does make your foot step and your shoulders to bump up (also, the bass SLAPS. HARD.). The pre-chorus might be the weakest part since the percussion kind of messed it up, and the verses are the best parts of the song and I love listening to it. The chorus also slaps even though not as hard as the verses, I feel it's pretty typical for a dance song. The brasses really helped me cope with the loss of Blasemafian.
There's two things I see as a weak point of the song. One, even if James has collaborated with lots of dance producers, he needs to deliver a hefty amount of swag for this to work on stage. I feel he can actually deliver it, but needs to be encouraged so that he can bring a presence equivalent to Rein Alexander. Two, if we want him to succeed, we need to support and hype him no matter what. I'm a bit disappointed of the pessimism sometimes, so I hope we won't waste that on a good/great entry.
One more note: we haven't had an idea of who will stage this. If it turns out to be Halsey's set designer again, we might hit a jackpot.
Is
too high? I'm really looking forward to use this to jog tomorrow.EDIT: NOPE THIS IS GETTING THE GOLDEN POINT
You're hoping sincerity when you realize how many totally insincere trash the UK brings in the past? At least there's sparks of sincerity in this one, and we're grateful for it!
eleanor1996
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I like the song. i would give it 7 points. im new hi everyone cant wait to see what the stageing will be.
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Speaking of the staging:
For the record. I don't know if that is a good thing or not.
For the record. I don't know if that is a good thing or not.
Never heard of them ;; so who knows.
Below in the spoiler is what we were gonna have last year:
probably most have seen it but apparently he was gonna stand st the top of them ice stairs thing and then use augmented reality to simulate that water which was apparently to then collapse and flood the stage at the end or something along them lines. Iirc he spoke about it in that ESC show the BBC did.
At least we can see BBC are going DEEP with budget. That's something I'm glad to hear since I don't want a simple background with golden shower again.
Great effort, I think the UK is finally taking it as serious as they should. Just shitting something campy on the stage because ~eUroVisIoN iS jUsT a cIcRus~ won't do it.
I don't know if this will do that great though. It won't get zero points but it also won't be a song a lot of people would pick over other entries. I could see the juries liking it though. Overall very solid, step in the right direction and they could be on the road to do well again, one step at a time.
It's a for me.
I don't know if this will do that great though. It won't get zero points but it also won't be a song a lot of people would pick over other entries. I could see the juries liking it though. Overall very solid, step in the right direction and they could be on the road to do well again, one step at a time.
It's a
for me.
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Okkk there is a lot to take from this entry tbh, and I'll get through the negatives first. It's not my style, i can't imagine choosing to listen to it again on my own, but if it played i wouldn't skip it. I also think there is many elements that could be better, especially when you consider the apparent calibre of the team who wrote it.
There is more positives to take from this though,
Not only Danish ones ... also that Swedish one written by John Lundvik for Michael Rice was so bad and X-factorish, but I get your gist.
GermanBango
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If the color beige was a song ... 
4 points - let`s get cozy in the Bottom 5 together, dear friends.
4 points - let`s get cozy in the Bottom 5 together, dear friends.
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Wow, this is also a HUGE improvement compared to last year. I love how 80% of the returning artists upped their game with better songs! Embers really has a decent quality, it's a classic points entry for me - very good but there still is some space for improvement. I'd love to hear more from the brass instruments, they would have deserved their moment! The chorus is not the strongest part of the song. All in all I'm very surprised, this is the best entry since 2014!
points entry for me - very good but there still is some space for improvement. I'd love to hear more from the brass instruments, they would have deserved their moment! The chorus is not the strongest part of the song. All in all I'm very surprised, this is the best entry since 2014!
Stashio833
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This is definitely one of the better songs from the UK in the past ten years. It's not bad, but not amazing either. Embers is a solid middle of the road song. I'd say it places between 12 and 16. points!
points!
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Solid song!
Luckily the over hyping wasn't a waste of time, @AshleyWright
I do think it will miss out on points as it'll be just outside of people's top 10 (11-20 say)
But it's an entry the UK can be proud of!
Luckily the over hyping wasn't a waste of time, @AshleyWright
I do think it will miss out on points as it'll be just outside of people's top 10 (11-20 say)
But it's an entry the UK can be proud of!
Ezio
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Better than last year. At least it doesnt scream last place. It's just mediocre but still unique in year of bops and melancholy.
The lyrics give me death, they are so basic. 3 points from me.
The lyrics give me death, they are so basic. 3 points from me.