Second year in a row: Are you happy with the 100% televote system?

[Judas]

Now that we have qualifiers from both semis, how do you feel about the 100% televote system? Did your opinion change between last year and this year? (In last year's poll we had more no than yes to the question whether you were happy with it)

 

[NeoTen]

TLDR: No.

We know the juries vote for more classically styled pop songs. The 2010s Dance-pop or power ballads and such that do well in Western and Northern EU countries, and I get that hearing 15 of them in the final can be annoying. And in a way it is. Even though I love them. So the previous system had it flaws. But 2 things: 1. Now it really went the other way; you have a lot of experimental songs that make it through that really only get laughs or are convo topics at drunk watchalongs and get some deciding votes as a joke. Coming from a musical background, I'm the minority, but I don't like the amount of those songs now. 2. Too many "Swedish" or /Western dance pop songs all cancel eachother out, look at SF 1&2 of 2016.

I vote for bringing juries back, but make them only old performers or part of the team of an entry and give them 25% voting power.

 

[AliceEsc]

Like last year, again I think that everything went smoothly. I'm happy with 100% televote.

 

[Realest]

With only 15-16 Countries, it works pretty well.

 

[Storm]

15 songs are vying for 10 spots currently. It's almost impossible for the televote only system to bring significantly different results than the old system when every year you have 3 outright hopeless countries that can already book their plane ticket back and 8 strong favorites. It's like three countries fighting for two spots or something...

If the lack of juries have anything to do with the musical line-up we got this year... then I agree with @NeoTen. No I don't think it was favorable.

 

[EscGeek]

So far so good, but the only benefit of having less countries taking part is having less casualties in the semi.

Semi 1 qualifiers would have been exactly the same with the juries present, but in semi 2 Belgium and Malta could have gone through instead of Armenia and Austria and honestly i prefer the televoting results.

 

[Sammy]

No.

 

[gingerale]

Yes, very much.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I'm largely ok with it. I still believe that 50:50 split is the best compromise for the final.

 

[GRE]

I am ok with that, BUT one thing : lines should be open from the beginning of the show, like the Grand Final.

 

[Ewigkeit]

I am ok with that, BUT one thing : lines should be open from the beginning of the show, like the Grand Final.

That will happen if and only if Sweden is drawn to open the semi in position 1

 

[NeoTen]

Semi 1 qualifiers would have been exactly the same with the juries present,

Narrator voice: That has never happened. That juries and voting are the same in both semis in a year.
In fact the opposite has happened: A country being 9th and 10th has sometimes not qualified (see Croatia 2021). That year a country overcame a 32+ point jury deficit through televoting.
So ... no.

 

[EscGeek]

Narrator voice: That has never happened. That juries and voting are the same in both semis in a year.
In fact the opposite has happened: A country being 9th and 10th has sometimes not qualified (see Croatia 2021). That year a country overcame a 32+ point jury deficit through televoting.
So ... no.

Fine, there's a decent chance that Azerbaijan could've been pushed through istead of Cyprus and if that's the case i'm definitely on televoters side

 

[jatojo]

The freaky songs have a too big advantage in the semis. And most if not all of them made it through. It remains to be seen if they are hurt by the juries in the grand final. If so, I'm not sure it's the best concept. The semis and the grand final will end up being two different contests.

I do think it's good to have the juries to give a slight advantage to the technically strong artists in terms of the songs in the very top. But it would be annoying to see extremely boring ballads like Latvia, Portugal, Serbia etc do well on the scoreboard on Saturday.

 

[jatojo]

The commentator for DR during the semis wants Denmark to push for the juries to return to the semi-finals (source: eb.dk):

"- Because we don't have a tradition of presenting the kind of songs we know from Finland, what we saw from the Netherlands last night or the big favorite from Croatia. The viewers just have a different focus when they vote, he says.

- I think it's an internal process [in the EBU] that DR must go into. They should really push for the expert juries to return to the semi-finals in the future, because I have no doubt at all that if we had had an expert jury like there is on Saturday night, Denmark would have been voted into the final, says Ole Tøpholm.

- Historically, the jury has saved us several times when the viewers didn't want us to continue, but we ended up in the final based on the votes of the expert jury. They tend to like us, says the DR commentator."

 

[Realest]

"We want the Juries back, because we benefit by them".

 

[Gera11]

I do think it's good to have the juries to give a slight advantage to the technically strong artists in terms of the songs in the very top.

Sure, if only they did that. Instead they vote for plastic.

 

[jatojo]

"We want the Juries back, because we benefit by them".

Well, the EBU is a collaboration between the member states, and I don't see anything wrong with working for a change that you find relevant. Other nations managed to remove the juries from the semi-finals a couple of years ago, so why should that be more justified than trying to undo this?

 

[Mainshow]

"Sand" was a dated and generic pop song.
The "expert jury" consisting of other pop singers singing English songs or having competed in Eurovision before probably would have voted for it but I fail to see how they would have placed them inside their Top 8 last night.

The televoting-only semis are totally fine. I wrote it before:

Small countries can qualify:
2024

Countries without diaspora and voting blocks can qualify:
2023, 2023, 2023 (or even win the semi!)

Ballads can qualify:
2023, 2023, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024

But most importantly... ethno-entries in foreign languages FINALLY don't get voted down by some "expert juries" thinking that a medicore and generic pop entry in English is more "sophisticated" and "better" than authentic, original, progressive and interesting songs performed in Albanian, Armenian or whatever.
2023 2024 2024

Countries with huge diaspora can fail (the biggest "argument" for juries couldn't be proven):
2023, 2024, 2024

It was the televoters who brought and back to the GF after 6 years abscence.

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As long as televoters won't go nuts about the likes of "Dustin The Turkey" or "Pirates of the Sea", we're perfectly fine.
simply needs to stop sending /NDR-material to ESC.

 

[jatojo]

But most importantly... ethno-entries in foreign languages FINALLY don't get voted down by some "expert juries" thinking that a medicore and generic pop entry in English is more "sophisticated" and "better" than authentic, original, progressive and interesting songs performed in Albanian, Armenian or whatever.
2023 2024 2024

You forgot 2021?