OM 41 Rausu - SHOW [Open for Twist!] DDL 28/8 23:59 Your Time

[iowacorn]

PLAYLIST​

Text Show:

1​	Nepal	Tika Prasain	Maya Luki Luki	https://youtu.be/KYYvY3cyeKI
2​	Cyprus	Michalis Hatzigiannis	Treis Zoes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ9qYTvNSQ
3​	Israel	Ninet Tayeb	Kamti Iirkod	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9ngehXhH0
4​	Russia	Loboda & Pharaoh	Boom Boom	https://youtu.be/vrEm8MNxRWM
5​	Cameroon	Pierre Narcisse	Shokoladnyi zayats	Нарцисс Пьер - Шоколадный заяц Vex.Distro works with the already well-known as well at the beginning of their career talented DJs, producers and record labels. Our team specializes in worl... www.youtube.com
6​	Laos	Thérèse	Thérèse	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7makc4Si0
7​	Azerbaijan	Sevinç Sultan	Yol Verdim Gitti O	https://youtu.be/xjAlcZR636E
8​	Mongolia	Uranus	STFU!	Uranus - STFU! (Official MV) Uranus - STFU! (Official MV)Directed by: Syd KydBeat by: AmurPicture writer: AmurPhotographer: IammyfanInsta filter by: ZoroSpecial thanks to: S.AFollow Uran... www.youtube.com
9​	Indonesia	Cita Citata	Sakitnya Tuh Disini	https://youtu.be/yLeQAS5xSAg
10​	Uganda	Faizal Mostrixx	Transitions	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyBJtN0oPE
11​	Armenia	Aram MP3 feat. 3.33	Kochari	https://youtu.be/5EGsgTnHK6Y
12​	Syria	Nakriz	Moniety (Boshoco Acid Mix)	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4IlXUauMRc
13​	Ethiopia	Sara T feat. MC Siyamregn	Alamin Alegn	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLsGobOhyw0
14​	Japan	Umeko Ando	Iuto Upopo (M.Rux Remix)	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsFK1majifQ
15​	Malaysia	Aisha Retno	Sutera	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34v-uVoJi8
16​	Turkey	Tuğçe Şenoğul	Bunu Sana Demiştim (Disco Tarantula Remix)	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIHr8gOaIs
17​	Vietnam	Phương Trinh Jolie	Em Không Muốn Cô Đơn	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caAjBBqI0EU&ab_channel=PhươngTrinhJolie
18​	Kyrgyzstan	Arrlena	Er Kyrgyz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o10Zu3rcgU0
19​	Cambodia	Ban MonyLeak	Stan upp	https://youtu.be/ymBAcg8R5GU
20​	Iraq	Sonia Beytoushi	Bas Mni Awe	https://youtu.be/Q1vOwvjz9SE
21​	Lebanon	Shiraz	Katyusha	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2nqANqrgQ
22​	South Korea	Lee Jung Hyun	Ari Ari	https://youtu.be/c1H7AoVBzkE?t=81
23​	Taiwan	Qing Feng Wu & AURORA	Storm	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XMFOGWK-DQ
24​	Kazakhstan	AMOuAGE	Phenomenon	https://youtu.be/-Pedv_viyL0

 

[iowacorn]

Here's the deal...

You wanna see your banner?
You must vote first.
Upon receiving your votes, your banner will be posted as confimation.

Fail to vote before midnight in your time zone August 26th,
your banner is lost forever.

Votes to @iowacorn​

 

[hawadharma]

Here's the deal...

You wanna see your banner?
You must vote first.
Upon receiving your votes, your banner will be posted as confimation.

Fail to vote before midnight in your time zone August 26th,
your banner is lost forever.​

Hot warning
I feel excitedly threatened

 

[MiraShadowMan]

Here's the deal...

You wanna see your banner?
You must vote first.
Upon receiving your votes, your banner will be posted as confimation.

Fail to vote before midnight in your time zone August 26th,
your banner is lost forever.​

And one more thing...
Are you looking forward to see your banner? Vote before 25 August.
If you vote on the last day of voting (26 August), you'll see your banner only on the results show.​

 

[Ewigkeit]

I don't think "awarding" a participant with a banner based on their voting time is fair. It may not be stated in the rules of many contests on this forum clearly, but it is common sense for hosts to treat each participant equally at every stage of the hosting. One might be having a troublous week, thus voting on the last day before the deadline - why should this person be punished with injustice?

 

[MiraShadowMan]

I don't think "awarding" a participant with a banner based on their voting time is fair. It may not be stated in the rules of many contests on this forum clearly, but it is common sense for hosts to treat each participant equally at every stage of the hosting. One might be having a troublous week, thus voting on the last day before the deadline - why should this person be punished with injustice?

Pff, just explain if you really have hard times.
If you were really a lazy bum - sorry.

 

[iowacorn]

I don't think "awarding" a participant with a banner based on their voting time is fair. It may not be stated in the rules of many contests on this forum clearly, but it is common sense for hosts to treat each participant equally at every stage of the hosting. One might be having a troublous week, thus voting on the last day before the deadline - why should this person be punished with injustice?

I don’t see issue with using the banners like we use flags to say who has voted.

@Orient Matsuri What’s your take?

 

[SwedishFailurez]

As long this idea is used to not insult anyone, I'm fine with this. At the very least the text show with all the entries is available for everyone.

This way of presenting banners is very creative and something never tried before. I really like how you guys are going to innovate in ways that might surprise people, I like that.

Just that the presentation of this idea might be off-putting to some like how @Ewigkeit explained here.

A solution could be that every banner should be revealed after the results show. Could be a nice opportunity to reveal the DNVs through their banners in a respectful way.

Then everyone got their share without getting insulted.

Remember, be civil. This applies to everyone.

 

[Ewigkeit]

I don’t see issue with using the banners like we use flags to say who has voted.

In a typical hosting of any contest in this forum, we usually take banners or text-shows during voting, not flag emojis. Banners are banners, a tool we use to vote. Either post all of them at the same time for the sake of justice or don't past any of them. Flag emojis are indicators of voting confirmation (when they are used for this purpose). So no, it's not the same thing.

@Orient Matsuri What’s your take?

Two-thirds of the mods left a fire emoji to the first announcement post and the other mod posted another announcement about this injustice, so @Orient Matsuri's position is noticably clear, so you probably have their back, which I don't really care, injustice is injustice, I don't need to see it validated by the authority.

Anyway, this is my stance, since some users having a banner and others not is clearly a disadvantage to how people approach the entries. If there was a deadline where eventually all entries will be shown regardless, that would be better, but now certain members won't even have a banner throughout the voting period while others will.

 

[iowacorn]

In a typical hosting of any contest in this forum, we usually take banners or text-shows during voting, not flag emojis. Banners are banners, a tool we use to vote. Either post all of them at the same time for the sake of justice or don't past any of them. Flag emojis are indicators of voting confirmation (when they are used for this purpose). So no, it's not the same thing.

OM is a space for innovation. The goal is not to disadvantage anyone. The text show here should be enough as at least one previous contest only consisted of a text show. Therefore, it is the same thing.

Two-thirds of the mods left a fire emoji to the first announcement post and the other mod posted another announcement about this injustice, so @Orient Matsuri's position is noticably clear, so you probably have their back, which I don't really care, injustice is injustice, I don't need to see it validated by the authority.

Anyway, this is my stance, since some users having a banner and others not is clearly a disadvantage to how people approach the entries. If there was a deadline where eventually all entries will be shown regardless, that would be better, but now certain members won't even have a banner throughout the voting period while others will.

Banners will be not be posted on the first post as not to disadvantage anyone. They will be posted in subsequent posts to this for there to be minimal "injustice".

 

[MiraShadowMan]

@Ewig, the idea of the banners reveal idea is the awarding them to the people who has voted before the deadling and the double punishment to those who didn't vote in time without a serious reason: your entry is on the last place, your entry doesn't have a banner - just like you are absent this edition.
You see, we accepted Mainshow's entry which was sent after the deadling because there was a serious reason. If he couldn't explain we could decline his entry. Same with the voting after the deadline.

 

[SwedishFailurez]

Two-thirds of the mods left a fire emoji to the first announcement post and the other mod posted another announcement about this injustice, so @Orient Matsuri's position is noticably clear, so you probably have their back, which I don't really care, injustice is injustice, I don't need to see it validated by the authority.

Anyway, this is my stance, since some users having a banner and others not is clearly a disadvantage to how people approach the entries. If there was a deadline where eventually all entries will be shown regardless, that would be better, but now certain members won't even have a banner throughout the voting period while others will.

I have my own stance on this and it's quite clear I feel presenting banners this way isn't unfair.

The text show will be on top of all these continuously posted banners probably the only things being clickable while the banners are not. No entry will be at disadvantage really since everyone can listen and score to the entry that might end up being DNV. I mean, the banners themselves don't affect the results. People voting based on banners doesn't seem logical to me.

I also think this way of announcing voters has been done before in the forum. Just that this OM edition has a bigger emphasis on the presentation of those announcements.

So I don't get why this is injustice when this would have 0 impact on how I vote, at least for me. It's all about the songs, after all.

 

[Ewigkeit]

As long this idea is used to not insult anyone, I'm fine with this. At the very least the text show with all the entries is available for everyone.

Nonsense. Some entries having banners while some not until the deadline passes is just pure injustice.

This way of presenting banners is very creative and something never tried before. I really like how you guys are going to innovate in ways that might surprise people, I like that.

Yeah, it has never been done before because hosts must post all banners at the same time and thus treat each participant equally.

A solution could be that every banner should be revealed after the results show. Could be a nice opportunity to reveal the DNVs through their banners in a respectful way.

No solution to the unfairness.

Remember, be civil. This applies to everyone.

What is this warning for? And why do you mention the word "insult"? I am trying to have a reasonable discussion here.

OM is a space for innovation. The goal is not to disadvantage anyone. The text show here should be enough as at least one previous contest only consisted of a text show. Therefore, it is the same thing.

We are already aware that we had editions with text shows only. None of them had incomplete banners, though. So no, again, it's not the same thing.

Banners will be not be posted on the first post as not to disadvantage anyone. They will be posted in subsequent posts to this

Doesn't matter. Don't call it banners then.

@Ewig, the idea of the banners reveal idea is the awarding them to the people who has voted before the deadling and the double punishment to those who didn't vote in time without a serious reason: your entry is on the last place, your entry doesn't have a banner - just like you are absent this edition.

Are we still sure that this is just an online song contest or has it become a moral education camp recently?

You see, we accepted Mainshow's entry which was sent after the deadling because there was a serious reason. If he couldn't explain we could decline his entry. Same with the voting after the deadline.

Accepting a late entry =/= an unfair and inequal approach to some participants. Besides, don't expect me to applaud you because I am always for strict deadlines, but this is just out of topic. It's not my problem if the mods bend or tighten the rules as they want.

I guess this has just gone beyond the OM moderation, and I call all super moderators and admins to task. I will not justify this injustice by indulging your gaslighting tactics and ad hominem arguments. You can disqualify my entry and remove me from the OM roster.

 

[iowacorn]

You have an opinion.

I have an opinion.

We all have an opinion.

Anyone is more than welcome to suggest a rule change to the mods.

The show will go on as planned!



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[SwedishFailurez]

What is this warning for? And why do you mention the word "insult"? I am trying to have a reasonable discussion here.

Yes, you do indeed have a very reasonable and insightful discussion here. The reason why I use "insult" and "civil" as a term is that Mira is known to insult users in this contest before and she's well aware of it. That's why the way the banners will be presented will be impartial and civil to not insult anyone. The terms of service are there for a reason. It's not directed just to one or a few select individuals but to everyone including the OM mods.

 

[hawadharma]

In a typical hosting of any contest in this forum, we usually take banners or text-shows during voting, not flag emojis. Banners are banners, a tool we use to vote. Either post all of them at the same time for the sake of justice or don't past any of them. Flag emojis are indicators of voting confirmation (when they are used for this purpose). So no, it's not the same thing.


Two-thirds of the mods left a fire emoji to the first announcement post and the other mod posted another announcement about this injustice, so @Orient Matsuri's position is noticably clear, so you probably have their back, which I don't really care, injustice is injustice, I don't need to see it validated by the authority.

Anyway, this is my stance, since some users having a banner and others not is clearly a disadvantage to how people approach the entries. If there was a deadline where eventually all entries will be shown regardless, that would be better, but now certain members won't even have a banner throughout the voting period while others will.

wait, back up, banners are not a 'tool' we use to vote. it is just a supplementary element
we had one edition where there was no banner at all until the end, and we all voted just fine

This motivates me to vote ASAP

 

[iowacorn]

I want to be clear from my end as the main host: the intention is not a punishment. It's a dynamic way of hosting that was suggested to me by Mira and I thought was a fun idea! If life is too hectic to vote, the last thing you're probably worried about is a banner.

Let me further say that I would hate to see you leave OM ewig, especially over this.

 

[Ewigkeit]

wait, back up, banners are not a 'tool' we use to vote. it is just a supplementary element
we had one edition where there was no banner at all until the end, and we all voted just fine

They are tools that we use to vote. I click on them and listen to the entries and then vote. Call it either tools or supplementary elements. I don't care. My concern is that some participants will have their banners, and some will not at a specific time during the edition. Obviously it is a fair choice to not serve any banners at all. So, maybe you should back off and read my posts again to get my point.

I want to be clear from my end as the main host: the intention is not a punishment. It's a dynamic way of hosting that was suggested to me by Mira and I thought was a fun idea!

It is a punishment. Even your co-host confessed that (see post #11). You are risking late voters' chances to be evaluated 100% equally by all voters. A participant who is going to send their votes at 23:58:59 (hh:mm:ss) on 26/8 will probably never see their banner (or see it when it is pointless to). You may not want to admit it, but it's unfair. And, even worse, the others will never see that participant's banner, either. You can't trust everyone and expect them to vote fairly after they are able to see "some of the banners" and not able to see "some of the other banners". They might be biased, and favor the songs with "rewarded banners" -at a specific time when they have their voting session- over the ones without banners. Put the banners one by one in the first post or post them individually upon receipt of votes. Unfair, unfair, unfair. Stop insisting on not trying to understand it.

If life is too hectic to vote, the last thing you're probably worried about is a banner.

I know, right? As if life isn't unfair enough, you don't even get to see your banner (or see it when it means nothing) in an online song contest where you are just trying to have fun as the host decides to release your banner only if you send your votes.

I don't think your fixed mindsets will allow you to compromise at the moment, and you will keep leaving reactions to your posts and bringing up unrelated topics here and on Discord if this goes on. I will wait for super mods to respond to this injustice fiasco, but I don't think any good will come of it.

 

[iowacorn]

Not everyone values banners the same way you do @Ewigkeit . I am sorry it has upset you so much. We will see what the supermods say.

I have already compromised by keeping the text show and not posting the banners at the top as I had initially imagined because you do bring up a good point. It wouldn't be fair to highlight early votes in the show.

However, what if we said it was a text show and used a different semantic term for the images with the country's names and songs on it. This has been done before where a special image was posted upon receipt of votes

Mira has her own take. We did not discuss the intentions of this method of having the show initially and I do not intend for it to be a punishment.

As you are the only one expressing issue with this, we will continue as planned with modifications inspired by some points you bring up.

If anyone else feels strongly against how this edition is being run, please speak up. But from the looks of it so far, this seems to only be an injustice in your eyes and I will not throw the baby out with the bathwater just because one person feels a certain way.

 

[Grinch]

Emre baby, I understand your frustration but no one actually has given a single flying fuck about banners like ever (no offense to hosts tho). We are just voting for the songs. Did you and ferret magically exchanged your souls or what