escYOUnited
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I used to want Kazakhstan in ESC, but not anymore, for obvious reasons , as in hype and bias from fans, who think that having a couple of okay results at a children competition gives you the right to compete in the real contest. Just like I don't want Slovakia, Turkey, Hungary, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Belarus to come back. I didn't even want Montenegro to come back, and some other countries should withdraw too. And yes, these countries need to be replaced by USA and other big extra-European countries with big music industries, like Canada, Mexico, South Korea, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, because ESC doesn't have to be confined within' its small borders, but it has to be a supranational entity where the best songs and singers emerge, regardless of where they come from, and regardless of what the fans want.
Our OGAE: "The EBU made a statement that they don't plan to invite Kazakhstan to Eurovision in the coming years".
I really really really don‘t understand why you are still discussing this! Kazhakstan is an authoritarian regime that just recently supressed opposition not only by incarcerating them but shooting right into demonstrations AND inviting Russia to take part in it. Being one of the closest allies of the two countries that just got banned, do you really think the EBU is keen on reinviting the trouble to the contest? Having the russian/belarussian puppet dance on the ESC stage under Kazhakstans flag? The EBU has no interest to get another regime into the contest that will - like Belarus and Russia did - use it as a propaganda platform. I have been called racist here in this forum for critizising a government (which would really be funny if it wasn‘t so shocking). But attacking me doesn‘t change the reality.
By the way: spare me the comparisons of western countries (alledgedly also being authoritarian) and Kazhakstan. If you still don’t see the difference, a closer look on what’s happening in Ukraine might open your eyes. I have NOTHING against Kazhak people - I‘m totally opposed to the Kazhak regime, who btw is one of the countries that support the russian invasion of Ukraine openly. And we have seen the prove what all authoritarian regimes do ultimately.
I know. I already reget saying anything at all!I admire you for writing this since threads about quickly turn in to a snake pit.
I hope you show the same sensitivity when the Spanish police crackdown on Catalan protesters, injuring dozens; or the irony of Israel hosting the contest meanwhile in the very same week carrying out a military operation in Gaza.I really really really don‘t understand why you are still discussing this! Kazhakstan is an authoritarian regime that just recently supressed opposition not only by incarcerating them but shooting right into demonstrations AND inviting Russia to take part in it. Kazhakstan being one of the closest allies of the two countries that just got banned, do you really think the EBU is keen on reinviting the trouble to the contest? Having the russian/belarussian puppet dance on the ESC stage under Kazhakstans flag? The EBU has no interest to get another regime into the contest that will - like Belarus and Russia did - use it as a propaganda platform. I have been called racist here in this forum for critizising a government (which would really be funny if it wasn‘t so shocking). But attacking me doesn‘t change the reality.
By the way: spare me the comparisons of western countries (alledgedly also being authoritarian) and Kazhakstan. If you still don’t see the difference, a closer look on what’s happening in Ukraine might open your eyes. I have NOTHING against Kazhak people - I‘m totally opposed to the Kazhak regime, who btw is one of the countries that support the russian invasion of Ukraine openly. And we have seen the prove what all authoritarian regimes do ultimately.
As I said - spare me these inappropriate whataboutism-comparisons. The actions of the Kazhakstan regime do not become lessI hope you show the same sensitivity when the Spanish police crackdown on Catalan protesters, injuring dozens; or the irony of Israel hosting the contest meanwhile in the very same week carrying out a military operation in Gaza.
I agree with @A-lister, authoritarianism should not be a standalone reason to ban a country from participating.
Otherwise we'll go back to 1956 lineup with only 10 'democratic Western' countries.
As I said - spare me these inappropriate whataboutism-comparisons. The actions of the Kazhakstan regime do not become less
evil because there are other bad things in the world. If you want to critizise my opinion on Kazhakstan stay to the matter. What I think about Catalunya is not relevant here at all! If you want to know what I do think about it - ask me on PM or do it in the politics section.
i have no intention to fight with you, but the only thing that’s ironic about the situation is, that you start every posting by attacking me personally. Always a sign fornweak arguments… I didn‘t „bring politics in“. After what has happened in the last 6 months the question of Kazhakstans participation is inherently a political one.Meanwhile the irony of it all -you are the first one to initiate politics when we discuss Kazakhstan's participation in the contest.
Anyways, my personal opinion is that denying Kazakhstan the right to participate will not contribute to the situation in the country. I think that they can learn alot from the contest, and the contest can create a positive social influence in the country which could in the long term serve as a bridge for bringing them closer to European values.
On the other hand, Eurovision will not suffer any damage by allowing them.