Jury - fair or not fair? That's the question.

[GWTW1939]

The whole thing is beyond crazy...can imagine what was going on in the British and Irish jury rooms when it came to Poland

For all we know they might have personally thought Poland was actually 15th best but because they didn't want Poland to get top marks (say 7 points ) due to televote they purposely sabotaged it by placing it at the bottom

In my opinion that makes them WORSE then the televoters because their personally playing god with the results...and even worse unlike the televoters they don't have to pay to vote!

All those people on Saturday unknowingly wasted their money voting for Poland because the day before the jury decided to fix the result and now their vote means nothing! It's like being mugged or getting your bank account hacked by the EBU x0s

 

[FoxOfShadows]

14th is an awful place considering they would have ended up top.5 which would have been their best position since their very debut. Don't pretend otherwise, if the juries were professional, but there's no point in staying in a contest where you get punished for staying true to the concept and being the "wrong" country, and the fact that juries could totally break an entry (even if it gets 12 from viewers) is also an issue.

Yes? This thread is about the juries so?

I agree that being able to destroy an entry by putting it 26th is bad which is why I support the 1-10 system used until last year. Poland weren't the only country ruined by the juries this year. Switzerland dropped almost as many places as Poland did. Do you think they'll withdraw?

 

[kippesoep]

I wonder if it's illegal to let people televote on something where the vote actually does not matter. Though in theory it could, but in that case the public basically has to vote completely opposite of the jury; which is never going to happen obviously.

 

[A-lister]

I agree that being able to destroy an entry by putting it 26th is bad which is why I support the 1-10 system used until last year. Poland weren't the only country ruined by the juries this year. Switzerland dropped almost as many places as Poland did. Do you think they'll withdraw?

I'm not really aware of what happened to Switzerland, but were they really top. 5 or even top. 10 in televoting of the final?

Well, the LEAST thing EBU could do is going back to the old 50/50 system, however they won't because they got criticism already last year but they kept all their crappy changes like the ranking (= pro jury) system plus the awful idea of the broadcaster choosing the order.

 

[GWTW1939]

I'm not really aware of what happened to Switzerland, but were they really top. 5 or even top. 10 in televoting of the final?

Switzerland were 7th in the televote (a huge shock to me ) but then with the jury fell down to 13th....pretty funny considering they did the same thing to Switzerland in the semi last year and it cost them a spot in the final

Not a big a fall as Poland but still a big fall if you ask me

 

[Israeliboy]

Worst idea EBU could ever come with!

 

[FilipFromSweden]

A bit OP but

17th in televoting, 11th in jury = 10th place?

Still happy for her

 

[A-lister]

Worst idea EBU could ever come with!

Indeed, this voting method is 100% flawed. We've seen juries that purposely put entries in the bottom in a calculated move to hinder televoters to have a say, we have juries that are bought, we have juries that put entries of enemy countries in their bottom.

The whole idea that televoters' 12 could end up with 0 is absurd, yet it's the televoters paying for all this.

 

[EvNickGR]

On the other hand Turkey left Eurovision for the jury thing and i believe that has absolutely right. Jury has to go or that system has to change completely!

 

[tuorem]

Indeed, this voting method is 100% flawed. We've seen juries that purposely put entries in the bottom in a calculated move to hinder televoters to have a say, we have juries that are bought, we have juries that put entries of enemy countries in their bottom.

The whole idea that televoters' 12 could end up with 0 is absurd, yet it's the televoters paying for all this.

Polish diaspora only is ********. Other people voted for the entry, but now we know that depending on the country you live, you can't vote for the country you like.

 

[Andreea]

On the other hand Turkey left Eurovision for the jury thing and i believe that has absolutely right. Jury has to go or that system has to change completely!

I don't think Turkey's decision to leave Eurovision has anything to do with the jury.
They wanted a contest where Turkey's the center of attention and they made it.

 

[Viiiik]

Good question, here is what i found in http://www.eurovision.tv/upload/pre...gContest_2014_Rules_Public_ENG_20.09.2013.pdf :

Should two or more songs receive exactly the same rank from a National Jury, the order shall be ascertained by a show of hands by the members of the National Jury. If there is still a tie, the final order shall be decided by the vote of the youngest member of the National Jury

It's still strange though, because more members voted in favor of Denmark, but ok, maybe someone abstained from the showing of hands... then it apparently should've come down to the youngest member, which is person C, who also rated Denmark higher.... odd...

And as I see, that's the same with Greece (10th) and Poland (11th). Also Armenian juries.

 

[HarryUK]

Turkey are just cry baby's I'm sorry

If you make one of the biggest financial contributions to the contest then you should have something in return for effectively paying for the show annually, so we have the automatic qualification system. Turkey qualified annually (apart from that blip in 2011 but that was dreadful anyway) so I really don't see their cause to moan.

 

[JamieBrown]

Right in the moment I'm so in anger about the polish jury, because they destroyed the moment of getting I thought that'll never be possible

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I dont think there's any easy solution to the voting problem (s). The present system clearly doesnt work, but then which system would???

 

[revallsay]

Right in the moment I'm so in anger about the polish jury, because they destroyed the moment of getting I thought that'll never be possible

because of UK's and Ireland's jury we got none points although we got 12s in televoting... that pisses me off. I know you're joking but I'm a bit dissapointed.

 

[JamieBrown]

because of UK's and Ireland's jury we got none points although we got 12s in televoting... that pisses me off. I know you're joking but I'm a bit dissapointed.

I know what you mean I'm a bit sad, that we didn't hear 'And the 12 points go to: SWITZERLAND!' . Hearing this would be awesome, although the thing is the bigger problem.

I made the result with the old 50/50 system. That wouldn't help to get any but they would become 8th. Maybe I will post it here later!

 

[revallsay]

I wouldn't mind givin points. has always been in my top 10!

 

[Bibberluis]

maybe a system of percentages would work
Juries rank 1 to 25. Place 25 gets 0% place 1 gets 9% (so the total adds up to 100%)
And then televotes also based on percentages so if 50% of a country votes for one song that song gets 50%

Altough i dont know how well this would work with diaspora and blocvoting

 

[mono]

well... the jury basically screw Portugal. We were 6th in the televoting... and for the first time we would have seen Azerbaijan miss the final. Which would be fair.

In 2013 the jury proved to screw other entries as well like Montenegro and in 2012 Ukraine got in the final because of them. This year the top 2 was made by west countries only in televoting. Austria won and Netherlands came in second. Both had a bad record but were able to achieve success.

My opinion? EBU should concentrat on preventing rigged and block voting by limiting the number of votes each person can make. Also in last years it has been proven that televoters do vote for song that are in the mother language.

And another thing... want to prevent east countries to win and to have success? Well then west countries should star carriyng about the contest and actually try to send something good for a change. If Austria and The Netherlands were able then anyone can. Besides... San Marino was able to qualify just with televote. So... I hope I wont get anymore affirmations like: "Portugal cant qualify because lack of neighbours". Work it and try to send something that is actually good. Stop making "a song for the contest". Just make "a good song".

With that being said... GET RID OF THE JURY!