Jury - fair or not fair? That's the question.

[Mlyn]

So, you honestly think no one can like the entry? Most people I watched it with liked it, and they don't understand any Polish

But they understood Boobish.

This is what the renowned HuffPost quotes:

Other notable entries included Polish group Donatan & Cleo's semi-pornographic show featuring women in low-cut milkmaid outfits and Montenegro's Sergej Cetkovic, who had a faux-ice skater circling around onstage.

A Bearded Drag Queen Just Won The Eurovision Song Contest

Seems like semi-pornographic a common and accurate assessment then....

 

[malta]

can someone give me link to the tele and judge results please cheers

 

[A-lister]

Also note that many eastern countries rate it very very low. So I don't see evidence of political voting. It's pretty much what you could expect from juries when it comes to this song I think.

Just for info, Poland is not very liked by the "eastern" countries. In fact Poland only got like 1 "friend" in the contest which is Hungary (and I guess also Germany to some extent).

Neither Slovakia or Czech Rep. are in, and Russia for instance loaths Poland.

 

[kippesoep]

can someone give me link to the tele and judge results please cheers

Results | Eurovision Song Contest - Copenhagen 2014

 

[malta]

Results | Eurovision Song Contest - Copenhagen 2014

thanks mate

 

[MrJadeEwen]

That's your opinion

I think it's bad when people won't even admit when the juries purposely voted against televoters NOT based on musical merits just because YOU agree with their taste.

So what if it was sexual? Spain and Ireland showed equally as much boobies, and that wasn't even meant ironical

It's blatant what the UK and Irish (and other) juries did to Poland, that had nothing to do with the music or performance... Cleo did great and it wad a fun cheeky performance... also the song is fresh and local... something that should be celebrated in ESC.

Oh dear, look Poland had a very cheap performance.. without the boobs and the butter churn nonsense the juries could have ranked it higher but it looked like a desperate call for votes. Before you moan at me more I liked Poland but it's obvious that juries wouldn't like this style of performance. Compare that to Austria which oozed class, juries are obviously going to vote for Classy acts. Spain wasn't a sex show, it was a classy lady performing with an incredible voice; Ireland got treated harsly the same way by the juries as it was a tacky classless performance. It's not a case of putting Poland last because they think it'll get televotes, it's just a cheap amateur sex-selling routine. Had Poland done the performance with a classy traditional feel without the tacky parts you'd see the juries ranking this a lot higher. Ask the many televoters for Poland did they vote for the song or the boobs, I think most of us know the answer to that.

 

[A-lister]

LOL what on earth. I happen to think Portugal was an awesome song that didn't get it's justice, and I also said I'd prefer to go back to 2009-2012 style of voting. However if you are going to sit there and complain that it's ruined the contest to the point you don't want to watch it; then don't bother watching it.

If I want to watch it, I watch it.

We're not on this forum to agree with everything or like everything. EBU NEEDS to listen to criticism aswell, they think they can run over the public but they are dependent on us so I'm damn allowed to criticizes what I want thank you very much. I've watched ESC since I was a small kid and it means alot to me actually, that's why I'm very passionate about it and I can't just sit and accept when it's being destroyed because there's an agenda.

 

[gabi]

So they did vote for Poland. I just don't like the thinking that it was only Polish people around the Europe that voted for their country. Is Poland as big a country as Russia to have that many people?

Of course not only Poles voted, but there is a greater mobilization when people vote for their homeland than when they have to choose a favorite song and vote for. When you vote for your homeland you give more SMS, than when you vote for another song. By the way, aren’t your presenters asking Poles who lived abroad to vote for Poland? Ours repeated that every two minutes during the show. “ we need your votes, bla, bla…”. They always do that And before the show, they said "voting for Romania is not just a matter of conscience this time the song is good" . Even if you don't give a s'ht about ESC, you vote for your homeland, showing support.

 

[revallsay]

y the way, aren’t your presenters asking Poles who lived abroad to vote for Poland? Ours repeated that every two minutes during the show. “ we need your votes, bla, bla…”. They always do that

I think they all do that so it doesn't count

 

[MrJadeEwen]

If I want to watch it, I watch it.

We're not on this forum to agree with everything or like everything. EBU NEEDS to listen to criticism aswell, they think they can run over the public but they are dependent on us so I'm damn allowed to criticizes what I want thank you very much. I've watched ESC since I was a small kid and it means alot to me actually, that's why I'm very passionate about it and I can't just sit and accept when it's being destroyed because there's an agenda.

Fair enough but don't make pathetic remarks like you don't want to watch it as it's been ruined, be pro-active an e-mail the EBU or something. Just looks to me like you're having a strop.

 

[A-lister]

Fair enough but don't make pathetic remarks like you don't want to watch it as it's been ruined, be pro-active an e-mail the EBU or something. Just looks to me like you're having a strop.

It's the day after, it'll eventually settle

I e-mailed them plenty of times with constructive remarks, I got some response but they didn't change any, in fact it seems it all becomes worse and worse.

 

[A-lister]

Of course not only Poles voted, but there is a greater mobilization when people vote for their homeland than when they have to choose a favorite song and vote for. When you vote for your homeland you give more SMS, than when you vote for another song. By the way, aren’t your presenters asking Poles who lived abroad to vote for Poland? Ours repeated that every two minutes during the show. “ we need your votes, bla, bla…”. And before the show, they said "voting for Romania is not just a matter of conscience the song is good bla, bla" .They always do that Even if you don't give a s'ht about ESC, you vote for your homeland, showing support.

Well, that's obviously the backside of the televoting. This blind nationalistic diaspora voting... however Poland was never like that, for once they actually got a strong entry that diaspora cared about. Poland got lots of diaspora, this is true, but it never translated into votes the same way it has been done for let's say Turkey or Armenia. Polish diaspora didn't support entries they didn't like, the Polish results are a proof of this because Poland has never really been successful in ESC, even with 100% televoting they flopped hard.

 

[Viiiik]

I checked the jury votes (Armenia), and noticed something:

Slovenia got 12, 11, 13, 6, 12 places - OVR. 8th place
Denmark got 5, 14, 11, 17, 7 places - OVR. 9th place

Both country has an avg. 10,8th position, and Denmark has a higher place (5th) than Slovenia (6th). But Slovenia has the better ovr. jury ranking. Why?

 

[FoxOfShadows]

We're not on this forum to agree with everything or like everything. EBU NEEDS to listen to criticism aswell, they think they can run over the public but they are dependent on us so I'm damn allowed to criticizes what I want thank you very much. I've watched ESC since I was a small kid and it means alot to me actually, that's why I'm very passionate about it and I can't just sit and accept when it's being destroyed because there's an agenda.

There not going to listen to criticism if there's only a few people criticizing it. You are one of a small number of people I have seen complaining about this.

 

[gabi]

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[A-lister]

There not going to listen to criticism if there's only a few people criticizing it. You are one of a small number of people I have seen complaining about this.

Well, when TVP will hand in their withdrawal card with the same explanation as I would, maybe then they would listen... I'm sure TVP is planning its withdrawal as we speak, and rightly so. The juries treated Poland just like they done with Bulgaria for instance.

We have a major issue in a contest that is supposed to be a celebration of all Europe, when it's only place for English safe-dated-pop.

 

[revallsay]

I'm praying for our withdrawal! i just really want it right now!

 

[FoxOfShadows]

Well, when TVP will hand in their withdrawal card with the same explanation as I would, maybe then they would listen... I'm sure TVP is planning its withdrawal as we speak, and rightly so. The juries treated Poland just like they done with Bulgaria for instance.

We have a major issue in a contest that is supposed to be a celebration of all Europe, when it's only place for English safe-dated-pop.

Poland won't withdraw. They came 15th which is a great place. The juries didn't like them? So what. Bulgaria received that treatment year upon year and withdraw due to a lack of funds. I know you think they withdrew because of the jury hate but you would wouldn't you. Every other post you write is a hate filled paragraph against the juries

 

[A-lister]

Poland won't withdraw. They came 15th which is a great place. The juries didn't like them? So what. Bulgaria received that treatment year upon year and withdraw due to a lack of funds. I know you think they withdrew because of the jury hate but you would wouldn't you. Every other post you write is a hate filled paragraph against the juries

14th is an awful place considering they would have ended up top.5 which would have been their best position since their very debut. Don't pretend otherwise, if the juries were professional, but there's no point in staying in a contest where you get punished for staying true to the concept and being the "wrong" country, and the fact that juries could totally break an entry (even if it gets 12 from viewers) is also an issue.

Yes? This thread is about the juries so?

 

[kippesoep]

I checked the jury votes (Armenia), and noticed something:

Slovenia got 12, 11, 13, 6, 12 places - OVR. 8th place
Denmark got 5, 14, 11, 17, 7 places - OVR. 9th place

Both country has an avg. 10,8th position, and Denmark has a higher place (5th) than Slovenia (6th). But Slovenia has the better ovr. jury ranking. Why?

Good question, here is what i found in http://www.eurovision.tv/upload/pre...gContest_2014_Rules_Public_ENG_20.09.2013.pdf :

Should two or more songs receive exactly the same rank from a National Jury, the order shall be ascertained by a show of hands by the members of the National Jury. If there is still a tie, the final order shall be decided by the vote of the youngest member of the National Jury

It's still strange though, because more members voted in favor of Denmark, but ok, maybe someone abstained from the showing of hands... then it apparently should've come down to the youngest member, which is person C, who also rated Denmark higher.... odd...