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escYOUnited

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Sanremo 2021: Vote for YOUR favourite!

Loro non sanno di che parlo
Voi siete sporchi, fra’, di fango
Giallo di siga’ fra le dita
Io con la siga’ camminando
Scusami, ma ci credo tanto
Che posso fare questo salto
Anche se la strada è in salita
Per questo ora mi sto allenando

E buonasera signore e signori
Fuori gli attori
Vi conviene toccarvi i coglioni
Vi conviene stare zitti e buoni
Qui la gente è strana, tipo spacciatori
Troppe notti stavo chiuso fuori
Mo’ li prendo a calci, ‘sti portoni
Sguardo in alto, tipo scalatori
Quindi scusa mamma se sto sempre fuori, ma

Sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
No

Io ho scritto pagine e pagine
Ho visto sale, poi lacrime
Questi uomini in macchina
Non scalare le rapide
Scritto sopra una lapide
"In casa mia non c’è Dio"
Ma se trovi il senso del tempo
Risalirai dal tuo oblio
E non c’è vento che fermi
La naturale potenza
Dal punto giusto di vista
Del vento senti l’ebrezza
Con ali in cera alla schiena
Ricercherò quell’altezza
Se vuoi fermarmi, ritenta
Prova a tagliarmi la testa
Perché

Sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro

Parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cosa parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria
E parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cosa parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria
Parla la gente, purtroppo
Parla, non sa di che cazzo parla
Tu portami dove sto a galla
Che qui mi manca l’aria

Ma sono fuori di testa, ma diverso da loro
E tu sei fuori di testa, ma diversa da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro
Siamo fuori di testa, ma diversi da loro

Noi siamo diversi da loro​
 
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ag89

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Another reason...Tastes obviously change. All top songs voted by the public had some edge. Italy had a song that was equally underground (which helped them to stand out) and equally mainstream (which helped them to get massive response from the public). This year more than ever it seems I have seen "regular" non Eurovision fans going crazy for a Eurovision song. The last time that happened, at least in my area, was in 2004 with all these summer hits. Portugal in 2017 was praised by ordinary people, but it faded quickly. Maneskin is getting a global career which doesn't happen regularly with ESC songs.
Also, their performance was simply fantastic, not because of the stage show, but because of their collective charisma and energy they produced during the performance.
 

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So I am working on a video that talks about reasons why Italy's win was so significant. Does anyone have some additional suggestions? I'm looking for serious stuff, not the "cause they're hot" kinda responses.
- It's not just your typical rock-ish kind of song, but there is a lot of creativity and authenticity to it as well. You could mention they won the best lyrics award.
- You didn't want something like ''cause they're hot'', but still, we can't deny the charisma of mostly Damiano and the female guitarist. Most people see just performances of 3 minutes and some green room-snippets. It does have an effect. I think the public back home can see that they are just really themselves. People like authenticity. France, Ukraine and Iceland did great as well for the same reason. Both musically and personally.
- Something that some people with poor musical ears might miss: Damiano has an incredible voice. It's not that only when you sing a ballad or reach the highest note you showcase a good voice. Damiano really feels the music, he sings really rhytmic (performing on the streets is a great training for that) and has a great rasp and reach. He is just a really talented singer and he uses it as an instrument. He is not just screaming or something. Even people who are usually not into rock (like my girlfriend) admit that. That's the case with more people across Europe, because with just some rockfans you never win the televote. And I do think a lot of singers from juries will gave their points for it as well (Damiano's great voice).
- Damiano's performance. From the first minute he guides you into the stage and the song. Also that 'buonasera, signore e signori'-line where he bows is just an epic moment. Furthermore, the whole performance draws you into the screen. You just want to see what they are doing. Great energy as well.

Summary: authenticity, creativity, Damiano's great voice, charisma of mostly Damiano and Victoria, stage presence, energy of the performance.
 

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- emotions, sincere, genuine, real. Facial expression, eyes, intonation. Damiano is a living emotion (there are other songs in the subject here, live performance of Torna a Casa, In nome del padre)
- incredible charisma and energy, all this gestures on stage (bow, interaction between group members), addressing the audience in the middle of a song, concert atmosphere
- the message of the song "you can overcome everything and be yourself, even if people say stupid and unpleasant things about you", in general that "people talk without understanding" - this is always relevant
-not an expert, but it seems to me that they gave the old rock a modern sound, they do not copy what was. they are all professionals, and they know how to get the audience (not only Damiano) I personally really like the instrumental part in the last third of the song
- they are cute, if people have seen their interviews and communication within the group, they have a very warm relationship, and people like it
- they are very young and started singing in the streets of Rome
- they have a lot of good songs, they experiment and all the songs sound very different, some people could see their channel and love their music
 
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Belarus on Måneskin:
“It is a bestiary of perverts, Degenerate homosexuals, garbage that smells of AIDS“said the presenter of the CTV channel.”Thank goodness they didn’t broadcast it in Belarus“.


“The modern world of democracy and progress successfully advances towards total insanity, towards perversion, towards individuals in thongs, towards the destruction of everything human, “he criticized.” We must separate ourselves from this progress by the Iron Curtain. We prefer the dictatorship. The whole world will sink into the abyss, but Belarus remains an island of freedom“.
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Well, instant karma I guess... :cool:

EBU Executive Board agrees to suspension of Belarus Member BTRC​

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PollyWantsACracker

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So I am working on a video that talks about reasons why Italy's win was so significant. Does anyone have some additional suggestions? I'm looking for serious stuff, not the "cause they're hot" kinda responses.

I predicted this song will win from the first time I heard it and the first time I posted a post on this forum. I was ridiculed by many for that opinion, but I kept persistent. I would add I have an education in music so I have also listened the song in an unbiased way.

1. The first and most important winning factor was that Zitti e buoni is actually an anthemic song, delivering passionate and melodic sound that targets your emotions. Further very important thing - it delivers a strong and important message with firm attitude. Thus it was also awarded the best lyrics award, also for many referrences to other literally work, like Icarus myth or the novel The days of rage.

Zitti e buoni has the same thing that made Smells like teen spirit by Nirvana a generation anthem, or what made Seven nation army by the White Stripes a sports anthem - it is a statement, and message, beautiful in meaning and lyrics as much as in melody.

FOR THAT REASON, EVEN PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE ROCK, VOTED FOR ZITTI E BUONI, AS THE SONG IS CAPABLE TO CROSS GENRE PREJUDICES AND BOUNDARIES.

THEREFORE, THOSE WHO THOUGHT THAT "NOISE" ROCK COULD NOT WIN, SIMPLY FORGOT THAT MUSIC IS HERE TO CROSS BOUNDARIES AND UNITE AND HAVE UNJUSTLY DISQUALIFIED THE SONG FROM THE START WITHOUT BOTHERING TO TRULLY HEAR THE SONG OR TO GET TO KNOW WHAT THE LYRICS ARE ALL ABOUT.

2. 2nd winning factor was not the looks of the band, but the first bands rehersal on ESC when everybody saw them live !!!!

As you remember, on that day they went from 4th in odds to 1st and that has never changed till the final.

Why? Because seeing them live made people realize that these 4 people compose their own music and that handsome vocalist writes every verse by himself, and that they present their music as their life, not a product!

Even those who were sceptic realized that what they see now is not a singer who had a prerecorded material and production behind him or her that made a final product, but 4 talented artists who composed every melody and a crazy bold kid who sings without backvocals.

TELEVOTERS THEREFORE DECIDED TO AWARD AUTHENTICITY - AUTHENTIC ARTISTIC WORK, NOT A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES MANESKIN TO DRAW YOU IN THEIR ENERGY, NOT HOW THEY LOOK!

PERSONALLY, I FIND THE VOCALIST UGLY, BUT AS A SINGER AND PERFORMER THERE WAS NOBODY ON THAT STAGE THAT NIGHT WHO COULD STAND NEXT TO HIM.

AND VERY IMPORTANT - HE IS ABSOLUTELY AN AMAZING BARITON VOCAL FROM HITTING THE HIGHEST NOTES TO RAPPING FASTER THAN EMINEM.

3. ADDITIONAL FACTORS THAT HELPED THEM WIN

A) AN AMAZING PRODUCTION AND VOCALIZATION, ALL DONE BY THE BAND THEMSELVES, PUTTING THE JURIES INTO HARD POSITION NOT TO AWARD AT LEAST SOME POINTS TO THE ENTRY THAT DIDN'T SUIT THEIR TASTE.

People laughed at me here when I was saying that the juries will not downgrade the song due to the quality, but, ehm, I guess now we all know whether I was wrong or not.

Here I would like to add, to all reviewers of the music, that they should bear in mind to separate PERSONAL TASTE IN MUSIC from OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT OF A SONG'S QUALITY.

ESPECIALLY, IF ONE DOESN'T KNOW WELL A CERTAIN GENRE OF MUSIC - AND ROCK IS A GENRE 100% DIFFERENT FROM OTHER GENRES - THEN ONE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING A QUALITY OR MELODY IN THE GENRE HE OR SHE IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

B) After hearing Zitti e buoni for 1st time, and realizing how great the song was, I went to hear whole 2 albums the band released so far. And they have even better songs than Zitti e buoni.

THEREFORE - MANY TELEVOTER HAD ALREADY KNOWN AND RESPECTED THE BAND FOR THEIR MUSIC AS A WHOLE.

RELEASING I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE STUDIO LIVE FOR WIWIS, 3 DAYS BEFORE G FINAL, WAS ALSO A VERY WISE MOVE AND THEIR 2ND SONG WENT VIRAL EVEN BEFORE THE GF.

C) HATE AND SLANDERING BY OTHER COMMENTATORS.

This was also one of the most misunderstood contestants and people came here to slander the song and the band with trully unobjective remarks or even distasteful.

It was at the same time the most hated entry.

I WOULD USUALLY VOTE FOR A SONG ONCE, TOP TWICE, BUT THE HEARD OF HATERS WHO WERE HUMILIATING THE BAND, THE SONG, OR US WHO SIMPLY LIKED IT, MADE ME VOTE FOR IT 20 TIMES.

There, these were IMO the most decisive factors of the win.

DAMIANO SAID: RNR NEVER DIES

I WOULD SAY: THE PURE MUSIC HAD WON OVER EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT IMPORTANT IN DELIVERING GREAT MUSIC.
 

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So I am working on a video that talks about reasons why Italy's win was so significant. Does anyone have some additional suggestions? I'm looking for serious stuff, not the "cause they're hot" kinda responses.

What @Zeus said plus what we can call the "surprise" factor.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people jumped on their seat when they heard the first note and realized Italy, of all countries, was giving them a rock song and therefore were instantly hooked- the band's charisma+authenticity did the rest. Also, after a series of 'typical eurovision' performances, everyone was basically catapulted in the middle of a 3 minute concert and that much needed adrenaline rush surely left a mark.
 
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-not an expert, but it seems to me that they gave the old rock a modern sound, they do not copy what was. they are all professionals, and they know how to get the audience (not only Damiano) I personally really like the instrumental part in the last third of the song

The 3 part of the song is bridge - outro where the melodic breakdown of electric guitar occurs together with the change of bas riff.

Whereas everybody praise basist and vocalist, I must say that the MELODIC BREAKDOWN IN OUTRO, PLAYED PREDOMINANTLY BY THOMAS RAGGI, IS AN ORIGINAL MASTERPIECE, AND THAT THOMAS RAGGI IS THE MELODIC SOUL AND IDENTITY OF THIS BAND.

IF HE IS PLAYING ON THIS LEVEL OF MUSIC AT THE AGE OF 20, I AM SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT HE WILL BE PLAYING WHEN HE TURNS 30. AT THAT POINT HE MIGHT BECOME ONE OF THE BEST ROCK GUITARIST OF ALL TIMES.
 

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What Ethan really saw in the moment of victory:
:ROFLMAO:

And this is for certain "journalists" who keep saying Damiano's drug test was rigged:


Do you know that for this X factor performance Damiano went to find a professional sriptease performer, an Italian immigrant, to teach him the dance moves and practiced with her the whole week.

Kudos to Damiano for his hard work.
 

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It was 2019, the band was answering some tweets during an interview and ...



@1:44

fan: I think only with Måneskin Italy will have a chance to win the Eurovision Song Contest.

Damiano: well, historically, we end up second place. So... honestly... I wouldn't bet everything on us -- and then it turns out we're going to win it! Yeah.Thank you for your trust.

:lol:
 

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Looking back at Eurovision history, there have been a few defining turning points, let's call them cultural resets.

I think we just witnessed one of these. This is a sincere song, who doesn't give a single f about Eurovision winning formular. It told a story and was authentic. It likely captivated a new audience for Eurovision as well.

The 2010's hinted to this trend already, especially with Jamala and Sobral, but it didn't resound yet.

Before that, I would say 1998 and 2011 pushed that reset button hard. Prior to that, it's hard to tell, if there ever was a reset or just evolution, because mostly ballads won which started at being gentle and becoming more and more dramatic.
 

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So happy about Maneskin being announced to play at my favorite festival last week :-) Can´t wait to see them there in June 2022
 

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I think I found the first performance at Sanremo with ORCHESTRA, love it! , let's hold onto this video before the rai destroys all traces of its existence from all over the web!


Let's destroy RAI 🤣🤣 Their copyright policy is quite obnoxious. I couldn't believe tbat they didn't release at least one Sanremo video to promote the winner before the ESC.

P.S. guitars sound awful live at that stage acoustics, they better fix that next year.
 

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Let's destroy RAI 🤣🤣 Their copyright policy is quite obnoxious. I couldn't believe tbat they didn't release at least one Sanremo video to promote the winner before the ESC.

P.S. guitars sound awful live at that stage acoustics, they better fix that next year.
in my opinion it is a question of rights, which the rai signs with the record companies. After sanremo, maybe they want people to watch the video clips that the record companies produce, because they want to make money with the views.
Of course it is striking that such a beautiful performance with the orchestra is not exceptionally put online at least on youtube by Rai,
after the victory at eurovision and the worldwide success they are achieving all over the world, after all, there is also a huge publicity for the sanremo festival!
 
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