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Himan

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Flop:
:hr: :ua: :se:

I think the real contenders will be Italy, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Not Croatia and Ukraine. Sweden is now at place 9 and I think it might be a bad night for Sweden honestly.

Bop
:cz: :sl: :am: :lt:
If Czechia can do things live, it might qualify. Slovenia can end higher I guess. Probably a lot of Balkan and Jury points. Armenia is a little underrated still. Lithuania will get a top 10 for sure.
 

Adi025

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Fan flops :
:be: flop with the televote. Yes the last minute is epic but the first two minutes are boring
:no: juries will tank them like every year
:gr:only a top 20
:ge: NQ

Dark horses :
:rs: top 10 thanks to juries
:pt: top 15 thanks to juries
:au:underrated because the music video is flat
 

ati0111

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Flop:
Greece, Austria

Dark horse:
Armenia, Slovenia
+Lithuania is TOP3 contender
 

henhu

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Fan flops :
:be: flop with the televote. Yes the last minute is epic but the first two minutes are boring
:no: juries will tank them like every year
:gr:only a top 20
:ge: NQ

Dark horses :
:rs: top 10 thanks to juries
:pt: top 15 thanks to juries
:au:underrated because the music video is flat
Totally agree with 5 out of 7
 

henhu

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For me:

Flops:
:at: That kind of songs never live up the hype
:it: Doesn't sound like top 5 for me
:gr: It only has domestic appeal I think
:am: Without diaspora it would be sure NQ
:ge: Sure NQ

Dark horses:
:cy: It is literally a perfect pop song with staging potential, top 10 should be possible
:fi: Can still see it in televoting top 5
:al: People underestimate it, could Q and get the usual ~17th place for them
:ee: Not saying it will finish in top 10 for sure, but I have seen many people underestimate it's potential for televoting score
 

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Dark horses:
:sm: San Marino: I may be biased, but I think this has chances to qualify
:lu: Luxemourg: sure qualifier
:pt: Portugal: if it can make it to the final, juries may award this a decent socre.

Flops:
:no: Norway: I really can't see this one doing well
:be: Belgium: same as Norway
:at: Austria: overrated like in 2022 and 2023.
 

goncalovieira

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Dark horses:

:no: Top 5 with televote. Top 10 after all.
:fr: Winning jury vote. Top 5 after all.
:be: Top 5 with both parts.
:nl: First place with televote. Top 5 after all.

Italy and Greece completing Top 5.

Fan Flops:

:lt: Bottom 5 the final
:hr: Hardly making Top 10
:rs: NQ
:fi: NQ
 

nudiecrudi

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The concept of flop or dark horse is quite questionable.
Let's take the top 10 by odds and fans
Croatia 18% odds 14% polls
Italy 14% odds 11% polls
Ukraine 11% odds 3% polls
Netherlands 9% odds 7% polls
Switzerland 9% odds 8% polls
Belgium 7% odds 6% polls
Greece France Israel and Norway more or less 4-5% by both.
All those favourites have much more possibilities, by now with 37 songs, to fail winning.
We don't have a clear winner this year, so any of them could or couldn't win.
Reaching a top 10 result would be an excellent result for all of them and not winning wouldn't be a failure.
On the other side I wouldn't consider the lower polls/odds top 10 countries as dark horses.
I would consider a flop a top 5 country reaching a 15-25 placing and a dark horse a country reaching a top 5 result coming from a 15-20 prediction, lower than that I don't think have ever happened.
 

Paco Roca

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Following Nudiecrudi's correct theory and observing the betting odds as the basis of the reasoning, we can hypothesize who the dark horses and flops of the season could be.

Dark horses:

Spain: currently twenty-seventh, if he managed to enter the top fifteen we could define him as a dark horse. There is a slight potential and it is based on a simple but catchy melodic base and an irreverent approach. The top 10 is an illusion. It's unachievable.

Estonia: currently twenty-second if it reached a top 15 or a low top 10 it would be a dark horse. More than that is impossible.

Norway: Currently 15th could be a dark horse reaching a top 5 or competing for the win. Norway is the clearest example of a probable dark horse.

Finland: currently fourteenth and fiercely hated by the Bubble could enter the top 10 and be a dark horse.

Lithuania: currently thirteenth, if it reached sixth/seventh position it would be a dark horse.

Dark horse/flop limbo:

Serbia: currently eighteenth but loved madly by the fandom could either enter the top 10 or top 5, or be the Senhit (collapsing in the final) or the Ronela Hajati of the season (not qualifying).

Flop:

Austria: currently twelfth may not qualify or follow the path of We Are Domi.

Croatia and the Netherlands: given the clamor that hovers around Croatian basic rock (which I find stronger than the Netherlands only in terms of a tested staging) and the Dutch joke-folk song (which I consider stronger because amidst the joke has a political message), if both were released or one of the two left the top 5 it would be a flop.

Switzerland: currently fifth may not qualify or fail in the final. The cause? A staging and a live interpretation did not live up to expectations.

UK: currently eleventh could scrape the bottom. "Dizzy" is a good song but it's flat and emotionless. Only Olly's name still keeps the UK competitive. If Olly had been called Isaak he would have been laughed at and slammed down.

Ireland: currently sixteenth could make a vocal and staging disaster and not qualify. Compared to the 2022 Irish representatives who everyone thought were dead on arrival, the small hopes here will make the possible NQ even more shocking.

Greece: currently eighth and surrounded by immense hype, it could risk not qualifying or finishing in the middle of the table.

Belgium: currently sixth and in contention for the final victory, in case of failure of the staging, it could collapse. Given the song's enormous emotional impact, a position below the top 5 is a failure.

Final thoughts:

Ukraine and Italy will do well on average and this makes them dangerous opponents. Israel will follow its average path which will see it fluctuate from eighth to twelfth position. France can compete for victory only because it is the only true classical ballad of the competition and for Slimane's powerful voice because otherwise it is the typical French baguette (only the filling changes); I predict a guaranteed top 10 for France. Sweden will fail in the televoting but will be kissed by the juries. The rest is more or less unmemorable. Only Slovenia could fall into the flop category in the event of a failure in staging and San Marino dark horse qualify surprisingly with Megara.
 
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Dark horses: :se: (10th in the odds, I can see it winning), :no: (15th, could top 5), :pl: (32nd; could qualify and then avoid bottom 5 in the finals), :md: (36th; they always nail the staging so could still Q).

Fan Flops based on the scoreboard app: :be: (4th; they have too many friends in the semi to NQ, but there's no way they threaten the top 10), :lt: (7th, could become a borderline Q due to poor running order, again I don't believe in a top 10).
 

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Total respect for nudiecrudi's analysis, so I have to concede that my positive vibes about :gr: Greece don't make it a "dark horse" as lots of other people have the same vibe puttting it into the top ten anyway!
However, despite :uk: Olly's Dizzy sitting in lowly 11th place, I think it legitimate to call it a "fan fail" as it continues to get a lot of love at least from fellow Britons but I'm convinced it's going to crash and burn in the bottom 5, (maybe =Mae Muller, i.e. saved from last place only by :de:.)
 
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Shaney1995

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Dark horses - These could all end up in the top ten if things go right for them on stage and with the televote (or more jury for UK though). Despite them being divisive amongst online fans on placing. Ireland and the UK both have excellent live performers too which is a big help. Finland has the cheesy camp spectacle covered which always has to be there in some form every year from someone.

:ie:

:fi:

:uk:

Songs that I think won't perform as well as expected. Will do fine, but will be less successful than thought. Ukraine In particular may be a yawn for many voters but juries will save it in the final. Also Ukraine fatigue will have set in with voters so less of the compassion voting this year I feel except from Moldova and Poland. Switzerland could end up being a bit forgetful in the final depending on the voters moods on the night. It should qualify but not as clear cut as it may seem.

:ua:

:ch:
 

SpiritofKeiino

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I'm not seeing the buzz around The Code that I would expect if it had a chance of winning.

Can someone convince me please how this song could win?
 

Paco Roca

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I'm not seeing the buzz around The Code that I would expect if it had a chance of winning.

Can someone convince me please how this song could win?
I am one of those few, if not the only one, who has noticed the overrating of "The Code". Not only do I believe he won't win but that it could be "Eurodrama 2024" with a resounding NQ. “The Code” is difficult to deliver with convincing staging and the experimental musical construction leads it to be difficult for Nemo to handle vocally (it won't sound like it does in the studio).
 

jatojo

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What I hope will happen:

- Sweden finishes bottom 5 (not gonna happen)
- Ireland NQ's (probably not gonna happen)
- Czechia Q's (not gonna happen)
- Poland Q's (could happen)
- The televote-oriented songs flop (probably not gonna happen)
 
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