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Live EUROVISION SONG CONTEST 2022 FINAL DISCUSSION

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Please use this thread to discuss rehearsals in general and also to follow along with all of the live shows in Turin.

Matt, Melanie and Roy from the ESC United team will be LIVE in Turin over the coming days, with yours truly joining them on the ground in the coming days.

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Not sure if this has already been posted somewhere and I wasted my time counting, but here's the imaginary results if you would remove Ukraine:

1. :es: 247+271=518
2. :uk: 285+213=498
3. :se: 269+222=491
4. :rs: 92+263=355
5. :it: 168+134=302
6. :md: 16+274=290
7. :gr: 164+68=232
8. :pt: 174+51=225
9. :no: 46+178=224
10. :nl: 138+52=190
11. :pl: 52+120=172
12. :ee: 47+118=165
13. :lt: 43+107=150
14. :au: 130+4=134
15. :az: 104+4=108
16. :ch: 84+0=84
17. :ro: 13+70=83
18. :be: 66+7=73
19. :am: 41+29=70
20. :fi: 13+34=47
21. :cz: 38+7=45
22. :fr: 11+14=25
23. :is: 14+3=17
24. :de: 1+9=10

So the only position swaps are between Spain-UK and Iceland-France.

(Since the full results of :az: :ge: :me: :pl: :ro: :sm: have not been revealed, no 1 points have been given from these countries' juries/televotes since there are no 11th places to move up)
However this is not useful because if Ukraine wasn't in Eurovision then people would have more likely voted different. Votes that went to Ukraine would have gone to other countries and t/v would be much different. And the same applies to jury but to lesser extent.
 

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However this is not useful because if Ukraine wasn't in Eurovision then people would have more likely voted different. Votes that went to Ukraine would have gone to other countries and t/v would be much different. And the same applies to jury but to lesser extent.
This is obvious to everyone. It's just for fun
here are the results if the events where completely different lol
Ja, just one of these silly things we make up every year, like results if older points systems were used
 

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Not sure if this has already been posted somewhere and I wasted my time counting, but here's the imaginary results if you would remove Ukraine:

1. :es: 247+271=518
2. :uk: 285+213=498
3. :se: 269+222=491
4. :rs: 92+263=355
5. :it: 168+134=302
6. :md: 16+274=290
7. :gr: 164+68=232
8. :pt: 174+51=225
9. :no: 46+178=224
10. :nl: 138+52=190
11. :pl: 52+120=172
12. :ee: 47+118=165
13. :lt: 43+107=150
14. :au: 130+4=134
15. :az: 104+4=108
16. :ch: 84+0=84
17. :ro: 13+70=83
18. :be: 66+7=73
19. :am: 41+29=70
20. :fi: 13+34=47
21. :cz: 38+7=45
22. :fr: 11+14=25
23. :is: 14+3=17
24. :de: 1+9=10

So the only position swaps are between Spain-UK and Iceland-France.

(Since the full results of :az: :ge: :me: :pl: :ro: :sm: have not been revealed, no 1 points have been given from these countries' juries/televotes since there are no 11th places to move up)
If Ukraine had been required to withdraw, there'd have still been 25 countries in the Grand Final. The 11th placed country from the ESC 2022 First Semi-Final would have qualified instead of Ukraine. Finding that is harder than you might think, because you have to bear in mind jury and public scores which went to Ukraine wouldn't necessarily have all gone to the same alternative country that evening. On top of which, the jury and public points which Ukraine gave out would have been removed.

In the Grand Final, 28 countries gave 12 points to Ukraine in the public vote. Without Ukraine in the Contest, some of those 12s might have gone to the UK, some to Sweden, some to Spain, some to some other finalist, etc. Again, Ukraine wouldn't have given its points out. It's harder than you might think to speculate what would have happened without Ukraine.
 

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I keep watching the jury results back and even the televotes... I can't thank Europe enough for actually proving to the morons in the UK who think everyone hates us that they're wrong!

I was in floods of tears last night & my friends who I was watching with couldn't console me. Our best result for 24 years, thank you all so much :love:
 

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At ESC 2022 three songs had the "winning vibes":

  • Spain: the best staging.
  • United Kingdom: overall the best song.
  • Sweden: which did not excel in anything but which compared to Spain and the United Kingdom was more complete.

Unfortunately but also remarkably ESC is an unpredictable competition. It is a musical marathon, it is politics, it is jury votes, it is the facets of the public. And in the end... it may happen that the best song does not always win but the luckiest one or the one who was good at making less mistakes.

Ukraine also had the "winning vibes" but it doesn't take away from my mind that in another year the three nations I mentioned at the beginning would have won hands down. UK and Spain unfortunately woke up too late. There's a line from one of my favorite movies that goes:

"In life, you can miss true love if you meet it too soon or too late. In another era, in another place, our life would have been different"

Although my example is about love, it can also be applied to music.

However, mainly Spain and the UK have to be satisfied. Spain understood that the creation of the Benidorm Fest was a great strategy while the UK understood that no one hates it, that they are good and if in recent years they have taken 0 points it was because they actually sent 0 points songs. And Sweden? They are always competitive. Nothing should be added about them.

Let's accept the verdict and start thinking about the next eurovision season! 💪
 

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Y‘all haven’t been paying attention? As if Ukraine would let anyone take this away from them haha. They will do everything in oder to make it possible so yea, the BBC shouldn’t get too excited about the prospects of hosting the 2023 edition.

In a perfect world that would be the case, and I sincerely hope they are able to host. I went to Ukraine for Eurovision in 2017 and met some great people who I still keep in contact with now, and also got some super great memories I treasure, including one about a vase of vodka in a pizza karaoke bar. In reality, with how things are and considering the struggle Ukraine is in I just can't imagine them being realistically able to host unless they decided to do it all remotely, which I don't think the EBU will do. Whether the UK gets it, or Germany or they cohost with Poland like some rumours i've seen I just don't think they'll be able to do it. No matter what happens, I'm sure Ukraine will be involved in some way or another and I hope they're enjoying their moment.
 

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Would also be kinda messed up to spend so much money on a prestige event when it could help a lot of people that have been through the worst things imagineable. Let someone else host but Ukraine gets like creative control over everything and maybe even ukrainian hosts together with local ones. Would actually be really cool to see a shared event, to really show that countries can work together closely to overcome such devastation.
There are still donations towards Ukraine from people all around the word to help them. Do not think spending millions for a song contest is a right move.
 
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