EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[Mrm]

I'm curious to see who will send in native language this time.
For now we have Spain, Italy (I suppose they won't translate into English)
We have all songs in Serbian in NF, but some of them stated they would translate if win..
Portugal has Blasted - "Rebellion" in English, all other in Portuguese, i suppose they wouldn't translate..
Albania will translate, they already stated..
I suppose France will be in English too..
At this point, I don't see anybody sending in native language except Portugal..Yeah maybe "Cicciolina" LOOL
And let it be Maja & De Sarte Sjæle - "Den eneste goth i Vejle" Nanne Gronvall - "Carpool karaoke"!

Maybe Ukraine too?
Russia, Azerbaijan, San Marino? NO WAY!

 

[opinionsigotem]

Beauty vlogger/online sensation NikkieTutorials will be the official Eurovision online host in Rotterdam.

Honestly, I'd only ever heard of her after her coming out video earlier this year went viral, but looking at her past work she seems like a genuinely fun person and a fan of the contest so I'm all for it!

 

[Miloutchi]

Oooh. I like her a lot! She is definitely a fun person.

http://instagr.am/p/B8ZNTQ4Jn5_/

 

[BorisBubbles]

YESSS Nikkie 3333 I loved her on the mole

 

[Ana Raquel]

Nikkie is such a LGBT icon, love her so much

 

[randajad]

This is so much exciting, no idea what she will do, but I am so happy she is involved

 

[Uto]

This is essentially the rose-tinted view that would only work if the world was perfect. There is a lot of sexism and other bias ingrained in our society and culture, much of it subconscious that people may not even realize they believe in, and that doesn't just magically disappear because we decide that from now on, we're treating everyone equally.

There's not much you can do. Change is gradual. Everyone everywhere ever is molded by the place and time they were born. It's meaningless to hold that against them. If people make a decent effort to be colourblind that's all you can ask of them. Pointing out that there is still much work to be done is asinine if they're already doing enough in their own perception. You're just building frustration and hate. Only fight those who actively work against you, not those who are simply a part of the viscous mass. For about a century now the generation growing up has been more egalitarian than the previous one, at least in most of the western world. If that ever changes, that's when I'll get worried. This viscous mass has been on the move for so long and it's still picking up momentum. Things are going great when looking through the lens of history. Be happy at that.

The rest of your post I won't go into in detail because that's going to lead to ever more detailed discussion. It's just going to go off topic and I also just don't enjoy discussing leftist theory like that because I have done it far too often. It's not like you don't have valid points here and there, but there's so much more to say about everything and so many more perspectives that are equally valid. I will respond with some general statements so you can probably cook up a measured impression of what I would have been saying at every step of the way. You can have the last word if you want of course, but I won't reply anymore.

Ok, know that I am a revolutionary socialist, but I don't subscribe to ideas of social revolution and at this point especially not feminism which has simply lost its way. Political revolutions I can support and they can enact social change effectively through leadership and policy. Why this focus on leadership? Because we need to keep our shit together. The left tends to forget that people are just people, they all have issues, they all need help. Those right wing nutjobs we all dislike are one of us. Never forget that. We are legion. They just need someone to listen to what they have to say and take that seriously. Never act like the discussion was won years before even though that may actually have been the case. Changes come very quickly these days and many people feel like it's spinning out of control and there's no leadership. They have a point. This leads to reactionary movements like you were saying. The only thing that helps is to be the leader they are craving, lead by example, show love to all, be colourblind, inspire the youth, but don't shame people into feeling like they're not doing enough when they really are trying. If you've studied history like I have there's thousands of years of much of the same and the closer you get to the present the more it feels like it's a singularity. Not everyone can cope, they are just people.

 

[LastDreamer]

For some reasons I predict win in this year.

 

[Mrm]

How to delete messages in inbox? I cant't find..

 

[Daybreak]

There's not much you can do. Change is gradual. Everyone everywhere ever is molded by the place and time they were born. It's meaningless to hold that against them. If people make a decent effort to be colourblind that's all you can ask of them. Pointing out that there is still much work to be done is asinine if they're already doing enough in their own perception. You're just building frustration and hate. Only fight those who actively work against you, not those who are simply a part of the viscous mass. For about a century now the generation growing up has been more egalitarian than the previous one, at least in most of the western world. If that ever changes, that's when I'll get worried. This viscous mass has been on the move for so long and it's still picking up momentum. Things are going great when looking through the lens of history. Be happy at that.

The rest of your post I won't go into in detail because that's going to lead to ever more detailed discussion. It's just going to go off topic and I also just don't enjoy discussing leftist theory like that because I have done it far too often. It's not like you don't have valid points here and there, but there's so much more to say about everything and so many more perspectives that are equally valid. I will respond with some general statements so you can probably cook up a measured impression of what I would have been saying at every step of the way. You can have the last word if you want of course, but I won't reply anymore.

Ok, know that I am a revolutionary socialist, but I don't subscribe to ideas of social revolution and at this point especially not feminism which has simply lost its way. Political revolutions I can support and they can enact social change effectively through leadership and policy. Why this focus on leadership? Because we need to keep our shit together. The left tends to forget that people are just people, they all have issues, they all need help. Those right wing nutjobs we all dislike are one of us. Never forget that. We are legion. They just need someone to listen to what they have to say and take that seriously. Never act like the discussion was won years before even though that may actually have been the case. Changes come very quickly these days and many people feel like it's spinning out of control and there's no leadership. They have a point. This leads to reactionary movements like you were saying. The only thing that helps is to be the leader they are craving, lead by example, show love to all, be colourblind, inspire the youth, but don't shame people into feeling like they're not doing enough when they really are trying. If you've studied history like I have there's thousands of years of much of the same and the closer you get to the present the more it feels like it's a singularity. Not everyone can cope, they are just people.

It's not like I intended to get into a lengthy discussion in this thread about equality and how to achieve it in the first place. I was simply making a point that we can be more aware of what's wrong or what we could do better as a society, and that it's all too easy to ignore issues if they only affect someone else. I agree that attitudes will change over time anyway as I mentioned previously, but it will happen super slowly, on a generational timescale if left on its own and I really believe we're better than that.

I'm not all that supportive of the sentiment that the progressives should just be cautious and not rock the boat too much, lest we scare the more conservative people or that it's our own fault if they react with digging their heels in. This can sometimes lead to looking for an artificial "middle ground" with people whose attitudes are outright antagonistic towards anyone different from themselves. There is some merit in that though, and getting people to accept change is in a lot of ways a PR/marketing thing - especially since it is our nature to be wary of changes - and I do agree that a lot of people are just a product of their time and upbringing, and you can't win everyone over. One thing I've noticed is that the more progressive people in every generation think they have these super advanced views but the future often looks at them in hindsight as just "fair for their time", and I don't really think we have to be limited by the level of tolerance and attitudes that are more or less accepted in our time, we could think in more universal terms about how we treat each other and what our society could be like.

Continuing on from promoting tolerance - the key is to appeal to the people that are ultimately decent and intelligent that are just kind of ignorant, misinformed or go by what they were used to growing up. I'm generally an optimistic person and I feel they make up the majority of the population, the more extreme types are generally a minority. But it's easy for the latter to convince parts of the previous group to see equality as a threat or that their livelihood/identity/the world as they know it is in danger, and since the anti-change groups are inevitably active in promoting their agenda, we need to be too.

By the way, I'm pretty much a social democrat/green, I don't really lean into some kind of outright revolutionary beliefs and given that I'm from a country that was quite affected by the communist movement, I would never put faith into revolutions directed by a specific small group or leader and forced on people - something like that is way too likely to turn into a dictatorship even if the intentions are initially good. Any significant change must be supported by the society at large democratically for it to have a chance to stick, and people need to understand why it's happening or why it might be necessary and come on board. And since much of the populace is somewhat complacent and don't necessarily like to think about politics and the like too much, it helps to have the message out there and getting people to think about things they otherwise might not.

 

[Uto]

I'm not all that supportive of the sentiment that the progressives should just be cautious and not rock the boat too much, lest we scare the more conservative people or that it's our own fault if they react with digging their heels in. This can sometimes lead to looking for an artificial "middle ground" with people whose attitudes are outright antagonistic towards anyone different from themselves.

Didn't intend to reply, but you are slightly misunderstanding my point right here so I need to elaborate. I am definitely *not* saying to go look for a middle ground with your enemies, that's nuts, I'm effectively saying that differences must be tolerated. Don't show people the path, but walk with them, preferably as far away from your enemies as they are willing to go. Carry their cross, don't burn their church.

 

[mauve]

How to delete messages in inbox? I cant't find..

I needed a while too to find it.

First, mark the messages you want to delete, then at the bottom of the page there is barrier. Click "Leave messages" and they are gone.

 

[Mainshow]

As long as we won't be getting any surprise releases before Saturday, we will get 36 new entries within 3 weeks! That's 12 songs per week!!!

 

[Loindici]

This week we will get songs from

Next week we will get songs from

 

[Mainshow]

If you count upcoming Saturday as Day 1, Day 21 will be the 7th March (the day of the final of Melodifestivalen)
There's still a slight chance we will be getting a song or two afterwards (or even after the deadline (9th March)), of course.

Still, I can't think of any year in which we had such a busy time.

 

[Trece]

As long as we won't be getting any surprise releases before Saturday, we will get 36 new entries within 3 weeks! That's 12 songs per week!!!

Rather 4-5 songs per week and on last week all the rest

 

[esc87fan]

OMNI Television announced today that it will broadcast the 2020 contest here in Canada! It will be like last year, on a same-day delay and later on demand for a limited time. Probably because their airing of the 2019 event got a lot of positive feedback

I can't wait!

 

[ecsstatsfan]

I'm not even sure if it's intresting, BUT here's something interesting for you guys

GERMANY in Eurovision Song Contest

This video is about Germany in ESC. Video ranks countries who has received and given most points to or from Germany from the beginning of Eurovision Song Con...

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[Mainshow]

Germany in Eurovision is like herpes. We usually don't show up for a very long period of time but when we do appear, it's always a shocking surprise and we come strong and hit hard and are very visible.

 

[opinionsigotem]

Anyone else get tickets for the London party then?