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We finally have the first Odds:

1Sweden5%131114
2Russia4%1323
3Italy4%171217
4France4%171434
5Switzerland3%1438
6Norway3%2017
7Cyprus3%1832
7Iceland3%1832
7Ukraine3%1832
10Australia3%1836
11Netherlands3%2032
12Belgium artist: Jérémie Makiese3%2132
13Moldova3%2042
14Finland2%2236
14Israel2%2142
14Malta2%2142
17Azerbaijan2%2332
17Denmark2%2332
17Estonia2%2332
20Czech Republic2%2242
20Lithuania2%2242
20Portugal2%2242
23Austria2%2055
24Greece2%2432
25Armenia2%2438
26Romania2%2442
27Ireland2%262755
28Slovenia2%2655
29Serbia2%2565
30Croatia2%2755
30Germany2%342255
32Spain2%2760
33United Kingdom2%342760
34North Macedonia2%23100
35Latvia2%2690
35Poland2%2690
37Albania2%25100
38Montenegro2%27110
38San Marino2%27110
40Georgia artist: Circus Mircus1%27150
41Bulgaria Intelligent Music Project - Intention1%7555
 

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:bg: and :ee: gained some Momentum

1Sweden7%131414
2Italy5%171616
3Norway5%1717
4Russia4%2223
5France4%173032
6Azerbaijan3%3032
6Belgium artist: Jérémie Makiese3%3032
6Cyprus3%3032
6Denmark3%3032
6Estonia3%3032
6Greece3%3032
6Iceland3%3032
6Netherlands3%3032
6Ukraine3%3032
15Australia3%3436
15Finland3%3436
17Ireland2%265055
18Armenia2%3638
18Switzerland2%3638
20Czech Republic2%4042
20Israel2%4042
20Lithuania2%4042
20Malta2%4042
20Moldova2%4042
20Portugal2%4042
20Romania2%4042
27Germany2%345055
28United Kingdom2%345560
29Austria2%5055
29Croatia2%5055
29Slovenia2%5055
32Spain2%5560
33Serbia1%6065
34Bulgaria Intelligent Music Project - Intention1%7555
35Latvia1%8090
35Poland1%8090
37Albania1%90100
37North Macedonia1%90100
39Montenegro1%95110
39San Marino1%95110
41Georgia artist: Circus Mircus1%120150
 

Ajeje Brazorf

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Sweden 7%? If they send something good I can actually see them bounce back, but will they send something really good? In the last few years Sweden was underwhelming, to be honest.
 
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Sweden 7%? If they send something good I can actually see them bounce back, but will they send something really good? In the last few years Sweden was underwhelming, to be honest.
The top spot in Sweden's Betting Odds is not just a vote for quality but the great jury power they have always had. However, I think Sweden will be very competitive this year and will try to win in Italy as they did in 1991.

Anyway, to remove a doubt from all eurofans about your name "Ajeje Brazorf". Here are two videos explaining the genesis of your name:

FIRST PART:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8nezICu6E

SECOND PART:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjEkJN1SGik
 

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Bulgaria last already? xfaint
 

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Sweden wins in countries beginning with an A or an I since 1991
 

FilipFromSweden

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The top spot in Sweden's Betting Odds is not just a vote for quality but the great jury power they have always had. However, I think Sweden will be very competitive this year and will try to win in Italy as they did in 1991.

What is a year without me having to remind everyone Sweden missed the finals in 2010 due to juries? And the year after that we would've won without the juries. Juries also ranked Sweden as 17th this year so come on
 
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What is a year without me having to remind everyone Sweden missed the finals in 2010 due to juries? And the year after that we would've won without the juries. Juries also ranked Sweden as 17th this year so come on
SWEDEN:

Esc 2010: televoting 9th jury 11th (11th)

Esc 2011: televoting 2nd jury 9th (3rd)

Esc 2012: televoting 1st jury 1st (1st)

Esc 2013: televoting 18th jury 3rd (14th) xhelp

Esc 2014: televoting 4th jury 2nd (3rd)

Esc 2015: televoting 3rd jury 1st (1st) xrofl

Esc 2016: televoting 6th jury 9th (5th)

Esc 2017: televoting 4th jury 3rd (5th)

Esc 2018: televoting 23rd jury 2nd (7th) xpolice

Esc 2019: televoting 9th jury 2nd (5th)

Esc 2021: televoting 11th jury 17th (14th)

Lowest position: 14º (2 times)
Favorable jury: 7/11
Big theft suffered: Esc 2011
Big theft done: Esc 2015 (also known as "The Italian Job” xrofl)
Great help received: Esc 2013, 2015 2018, 2019 xheat

During your ESC journey there have been times where you brought songs not up to the final but your worst result since 2010 was 14th place ... If we look good, even in bad luck, your ranking follows one balanced scheme. Other nations, especially the "Big 5", would not have this attention. Let us not forget that among the "voting blocs" the Scandinavian one is the strongest. Do you want to tell me that the bookmakers have not followed this data? Do you want to tell me that you are not always first or in the "Top 5" every year for bookmakers? I think you want to close your eyes so as not to see. H.P. Lovecraft will never give you only his impressions but his data.

ITALY:

Esc 2010: not present

Esc 2011: televoting 11th jury 1st (2nd)

Esc 2012: televoting 17th jury 4th (9th)

Esc 2013: televoting 10th jury 8th (7th)

Esc 2014: televoting 19th jury 21st (21st)

Esc 2015: televoting 1st jury 6th (3rd) xrofl

Esc 2016: televoting 18th jury 13th (16th)

Esc 2017: televoting 6th jury 7th (6th)

Esc 2018: televoting 3rd jury 17th (5th) xrollinglol

Esc 2019: televoting 3rd jury 4th (2nd)

Esc 2021: televoting 1st jury 4th (1st)xshock1:

Lowest position: 21º (1 time)
Favorable jury: 4/10 (when it was favorable, apart from 2011-2012, it changed little)
Big theft suffered: Esc 2015, 2018 and 2019 (in a minor form)
Great help received: 2011 and 2012 (the caresses at the New Entry - we paid dearly for these caresses! Poisonous caresses).

I also wanted to follow the Italian ESC path to make a comparison and not just focus on one nation. The fundamental rule of science is the comparison and study of results. Italy was clearly helped in the 2011/2012 editions as if to please a nation that had returned after many years of absence and perhaps also because, apart from positive votes, it would never have won. Sweden has badly tolerated, together with Turkey (which will then abandon the competition, according to them, due to the low values brought to the ESC by Conchita Würst ...), that Italy would return by right among the "Big 5" and had the final assured. Later Sweden did not digest that in 2011 it was robbed and I admit that if Sweden lost it is because of the great kindness of the juries towards Italy. For years, data and newspaper articles in hand, there was always a lot of coldness between the two nations at the ESC. At one point Italy tried to take a step towards Sweden by favoring them in the jury vote and only after many years did Sweden respond tepidly. The hatchet had been buried (although the competition between the two music schools remained alive). Now let's go back to Italy's path to the ESC, in 2013 "the turning point", by now "the goodness" was over and in the end it is normal: the ESC is a race and it is right that there should be no favoritism . In 2014 and 2016, Italy had a favorable jury but had poor help compared to the abundance that Sweden received in 2013, 2018 and 2019 (probably, following the same yardstick, we would have finished 8th with Michielin and 14th with Emma Marrone). In 2015, the "theft of the millennium" with "Grande Amore" surpassed by "Heroes" (Sweden avenged the 2011 defeat). In 2017 Gabbani was "held" by the jury (for me he could not and did not deserve to win - even if I have sometimes seen worse win). In 2018, for me the “biggest spite” of the jury ... Ermal Meta and Moro could have won but the jury placed the Italian singers in 17th place!!! If our singers had called themselves Metå and Møro they would have gotten more respect. In 2019 with a "positive Swedish vote" Mahmood would have won and in 2021 the Måneskin received 4th place from the jury when all of Europe praised Italian rockers. In 2021 we won because the Scandinavian songs were all quite weak (you wanted to achieve more with... Tusse?!?!) And because it was a very tough edition (France, Switzerland and Ukraine were top and many other countries had some good entries) and also the pandemic has influenced to create a little chaos among the voting blocks (these cases happen with the same frequency of the alignment of the planets and when it happens ... one of the hated "Big 5" wins). In your opinion Filip, if the legend of "Italy was robbed again" was created at the ESC, isn't there a pinch of truth?

Conclusion:

I could also do other more in-depth calculations. I think I'm the only crazy person in the world who loves doing this but then I thought that I didn't want to bore too much those who would read my message and then music is nice to live it with joy and not through mathematical / political calculations.

This year, I tell you honestly, if Sweden brings a better song than Italy I will recognize it (I always do) and if Sweden wins in Italy I will applaud. But don't tell me that Sweden has suffered the same fate as Italy because I start laughing xrofl
 
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But don't tell me that Sweden has suffered the same fate as Italy because I start laughing xrofl
Please quote me on wherever I said that, I didn't say anything about Italy, I just made a claim against these riggory claims that come up every year. In the latest 5 editions about 1200 people have been in the ESC jury and even though we have never heard anything from a jury member, fans love to claim the EBU pushes judges to vote for Sweden
 

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The average Italian eurofan will always carry a grudge against Sweden. After all, 6 victories against 3 says it all.
 
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Please quote me on wherever I said that, I didn't say anything about Italy, I just made a claim against these riggory claims that come up every year. In the latest 5 editions about 1200 people have been in the ESC jury and even though we have never heard anything from a jury member, fans love to claim the EBU pushes judges to vote for Sweden
You wrote that Sweden hasn't been helped much by the jury lately, that the juries have not always been in favor and that in the latest ESC edition your singer was ranked 17th by the jury. I have shown you the data that show that, with ups and downs, this is not true. The data speak for themselves. If fans and bookmakers say that Sweden has strong alliances and jury votes, there must be some truth, don't you think? You don't have to get embittered. I have nothing against Sweden on the contrary, if you win the ESC 2022 I will be happy for you.
 
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The average Italian eurofan will always carry a grudge against Sweden. After all, 6 victories against 3 says it all.
Gianluca Tomoe gets excited when he reads the words "Italy" and "ESC" xrofl

I want to understand, how can Italy envy Sweden for its ESC titles? It doesn't make sense for two reasons:

-) Italy is the nation that has the least shareholdings in its assets. However, Italy has 3 ESC titles and "Top 10" records achieved. Therefore, according to the average, we can say that Italy and Sweden are equivalent to the ESC.

-) In the past, even when it participated, Italy has shown that it has no interest in winning. We have often sent artists who had not won Sanremo or the winners with songs other than those they had won. Often Italy has also rowed against its representatives because the victory would have forced Italy to make an economic effort to organize, after Sanremo, also the ESC.

As usual, you write things down without knowing or because you want to accuse others of your sins xqueenbitch There is a saying that says "Whoever made it smells it first". Did you perhaps indigestion of beans, Gianluca?xrollinglol
 

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Gianluca Tomoe gets excited when he reads the words "Italy" and "ESC" xrofl

I want to understand, how can Italy envy Sweden for its ESC titles? It doesn't make sense for two reasons:

-) Italy is the nation that has the least shareholdings in its assets. However, Italy has 3 ESC titles and "Top 10" records achieved. Therefore, according to the average, we can say that Italy and Sweden are equivalent to the ESC.

-) In the past, even when it participated, Italy has shown that it has no interest in winning. We have often sent artists who had not won Sanremo or the winners with songs other than those they had won. Often Italy has also rowed against its representatives because the victory would have forced Italy to make an economic effort to organize, after Sanremo, also the ESC.

As usual, you write things down without knowing or because you want to accuse others of your sins xqueenbitch There is a saying that says "Whoever made it smells it first". Did you perhaps indigestion of beans, Gianluca?xrollinglol

No darling. Unlike you, and unlike any other Italian eurofan in the past 10 years, in any platform or social media, i don't moan like a little kid about something as trivial as... jury votes in ESC, or any votes in ESC, for that matter. Especially if there's no real proof of vote rigging. All that Italian fans do is chit-chatting, because they feel entitled. They always think they are the best, when actually they are the worst. I care very little about it anyway, because if it were for me ESC would be a non-competitive show, also, my agenda in ESC is a totally different one, I'm more focused about equality, same opportunities for all the singers who take part, countries that should NOT take part, etc.. Also, I have other things to do, especially in a Sunday afternoon.
 
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No darling. Unlike you, and unlike any other Italian eurofan in the past 10 years, in any platform or social media, i don't moan like a little kid about something as trivial as... jury votes in ESC, or any votes in ESC, for that matter. Especially if there's no real proof of vote rigging. All that Italian fans do is chit-chatting, because they feel entitled. They always think they are the best, when actually they are the worst. I care very little about it anyway, because if it were for me ESC would be a non-competitive show, also, my agenda in ESC is a totally different one, I'm more focused about equality, same opportunities for all the singers who take part, countries that should NOT take part, etc.. Also, I have other things to do, especially in a Sunday afternoon.
Excuse me Gianluca, instead of wasting time writing statistics, I was soaking savoiardi in hot milk with honey. Now that I have a full stomach I'll get back to you quickly as I consider this to be a waste of time.

In my messages I have never said that Italy and Italians are the best in the world. Italy and the Italians have many strengths and weaknesses (like countries and people from all over the world). If you think this, even if it was clear from your posts on the forum where you always have a negative joke about Italy and its music, you suffer from a disease called "sense of inferiority" and xenophobia (I'm not talking about racism but fear of the foreigner and his actions often perceived as a threat). You want to tell me that no one has ever opened the question of the jury and the voting blocks at the ESC? Unfortunately, it was the BBC who first denounced this situation. Find out before you speak. That Sweden enjoys a solid Scandinavian alliance and often receives generous votes (note Ingrosso twenty-third in seventh) is true. If this certainty has arisen in Europe and among bookmakers, isn't there a grain of truth? That said, stick to your goal of equality but beware that it's often just undisguised "classism". For me there is no inequality between men and women but it must go to the ESC, if we talk about music, who was better. This is justice. This is impartiality. This is equality.
 
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