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Loindici

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Yes, this is a thread to discuss about the aftermath of 2024 and its probable effects on 2025.

After seeing how the 2024 contest folds out, how do you think it would affect the 2025 contest?
 

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The city's organization of the contest was probably the worst in years if not decades. Even hardcore Ukrainian Swedophiles admit that.
Eurovillage - you've seen the pics :lol:
ESC promo in the city sometimes was a choice...
The Turquoise carpet - another disaster. It took place in the most windy area in the country while it rained... what a great idea, lol. The rain flooded the carpet, journalists were forced to walk more than 400m by feet and stand under cold rain in order to find out that the interviews were scrapped because of weather :ROFLMAO: Alyona tried to protect Luna from the wind with her body, sis was freezing her cute ass off. They put contestants at risk of catching cold right before the semis.

:nl: disqualification, Israeli delegation & broadcaster openly harassing at least 10 other delegations (could be 15), police packing protesters in front of the arena, people booing the ESC supervisor, spokespersons withdrawing right before the final, ESC producers trying to manipulate the running order (we wouldn't won televoting anyway, lol), performers skipping the rehearsals ... the MESS.
 
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Changes I want to see :

1) RoW voting x 3 or x 5 in the Grand Final

2) No playback vocals

3) invite Kazakhstan
 

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There will be an independent investigation about the 2024 contest "to share insights and learning", as per EBU's requests.
An independent expert will speak to individual broadcasters and delegations.

:no: delegation supposedly already spoke to the investigator and confirmed they have intention to participate in the 2025 contest, but it depends on the actions of the EBU following up on this investigation.
 

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I'm a fan of the former Eurovision Dance Contest, which on a smaller scale may show what can happen if enough broadcasters get dissatisfied with the EBU at once. The EBU brought in a rule for the second EDC that each couple should be one professional and one non-professional dancer, perhaps to capitalise on Strictly's popularity at the time, but then allowed two countries to send professional couples anyway via a loophole. Multiple countries withdrew from the planned 3rd contest in 2009/2010, and it ultimately didn't return. Obviously EDC was on a much smaller scale than the main contest, with only two years of history compared to multiple decades, but I truly believe, with how much bigger both Eurovision and Strictly are now, that EDC absolutely could have been a big hit for the EBU if they had stuck with it, potentially getting a boost like JESC has in the last few years, and still be running now.

If 13 countries are all dissatisfied with the EBU as has been reported, if they all withdrew at once (they probably won't) that could end the semi-finals as we know them, and if multiple Big 5 countries went (they probably won't), significant funding issues in future. The EBU needs to sort this out now to keep the contest going.
 

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So Martin Österdahl will stay in office. Any thoughts about it?
In a reduced capacity somewhat though - it's a small victory, however he should be removed for letting the carnage unfold before our eyes. He had plentiful opportunity to put a stop to it, but chose to allow a hostile atmosphere to take place which made the contest overall feel extremely eggy and not filled with the usual excitement and post-Eurovision blues - I and many other Eurofans were relieved it was all over by the Monday morning, which says an awful lot.
 

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He handled the pressure very well and decided correctly.
Great, that he stays.
 

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In a reduced capacity somewhat though - it's a small victory, however he should be removed for letting the carnage unfold before our eyes. He had plentiful opportunity to put a stop to it, but chose to allow a hostile atmosphere to take place which made the contest overall feel extremely eggy and not filled with the usual excitement and post-Eurovision blues - I and many other Eurofans were relieved it was all over by the Monday morning, which says an awful lot.

Absolutely agree with what you've said. He did an horrendous job with dealing with it and I think in almost any other work place such a performance would result in an immediate dismissal.

That said, it would have been a tough task for anyone to control. The actions of Israelis delegation, but then also many of the other artists fed and even thrived in the vicious antisemetic vitriol that parts of the fandom, especially on Twitter, took part in. All very performative on their part and made it all 100x worse. It was ugly and horrible, and I was happy it ended. I hope 2025 is better but i don't hold out hope.
 

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Absolutely agree with what you've said. He did an horrendous job with dealing with it and I think in almost any other work place such a performance would result in an immediate dismissal.

That said, it would have been a tough task for anyone to control. The actions of Israelis delegation, but then also many of the other artists fed and even thrived in the vicious antisemetic vitriol that parts of the fandom, especially on Twitter, took part in. All very performative on their part and made it all 100x worse. It was ugly and horrible, and I was happy it ended. I hope 2025 is better but i don't hold out hope.
Unfortunately he’s the face of the EBU when it comes to Eurovision and had the final call over the chaotic events that happened ranging from the Israeli delegation behaving aggressively towards other delegations to the disqualification of Joost Klein in circumstances that at best lack concrete evidence. The Swedish courts aren’t that bothered about it anyway, the hearing hasn’t even happened yet! If (and most likely when) the case is dropped and Joost is cleared, the EBU will have further questions to answer - and we’ll be heading towards our 2025 national selection season at that point!

The antisemitism experienced by the Jewish community during Eurovision is most definitely inexcusable and should be held to account - however just like Mr Österdahl, that day has seemingly passed.
 

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If (and most likely when) the case is dropped and Joost is cleared, the EBU will have further questions to answer
Are people really going to think that the disqualification of Joost was a mistake if the court drops the case? Surely the fans are smarter than that. The disqualification was primarily based on what the organization thought about his behaviour. Just like when people are fired in private companies (such as in MeToo cases).
 

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Man of honor. I wish he won.


The next fakenews that has been exposed.
 

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Are people really going to think that the disqualification of Joost was a mistake if the court drops the case? Surely the fans are smarter than that. The disqualification was primarily based on what the organization thought about his behaviour. Just like when people are fired in private companies (such as in MeToo cases).
I thought it was a mistake from the beginning, but I’ll admit I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
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