In a reduced capacity somewhat though - it's a small victory, however he should be removed for letting the carnage unfold before our eyes. He had plentiful opportunity to put a stop to it, but chose to allow a hostile atmosphere to take place which made the contest overall feel extremely eggy and not filled with the usual excitement and post-Eurovision blues - I and many other Eurofans were relieved it was all over by the Monday morning, which says an awful lot.So Martin Österdahl will stay in office. Any thoughts about it?
You are the Liz Truss of this forumHe handled the pressure very well and decided correctly.
Great, that he stays.
You are the Liz Truss of this forum
Hey leave Waylon alone! I prefer the delusional Liz Truss as my jibeMore the Waylon Smithers of the forum.
In a reduced capacity somewhat though - it's a small victory, however he should be removed for letting the carnage unfold before our eyes. He had plentiful opportunity to put a stop to it, but chose to allow a hostile atmosphere to take place which made the contest overall feel extremely eggy and not filled with the usual excitement and post-Eurovision blues - I and many other Eurofans were relieved it was all over by the Monday morning, which says an awful lot.
Unfortunately he’s the face of the EBU when it comes to Eurovision and had the final call over the chaotic events that happened ranging from the Israeli delegation behaving aggressively towards other delegations to the disqualification of Joost Klein in circumstances that at best lack concrete evidence. The Swedish courts aren’t that bothered about it anyway, the hearing hasn’t even happened yet! If (and most likely when) the case is dropped and Joost is cleared, the EBU will have further questions to answer - and we’ll be heading towards our 2025 national selection season at that point!Absolutely agree with what you've said. He did an horrendous job with dealing with it and I think in almost any other work place such a performance would result in an immediate dismissal.
That said, it would have been a tough task for anyone to control. The actions of Israelis delegation, but then also many of the other artists fed and even thrived in the vicious antisemetic vitriol that parts of the fandom, especially on Twitter, took part in. All very performative on their part and made it all 100x worse. It was ugly and horrible, and I was happy it ended. I hope 2025 is better but i don't hold out hope.
Are people really going to think that the disqualification of Joost was a mistake if the court drops the case? Surely the fans are smarter than that. The disqualification was primarily based on what the organization thought about his behaviour. Just like when people are fired in private companies (such as in MeToo cases).If (and most likely when) the case is dropped and Joost is cleared, the EBU will have further questions to answer
I thought it was a mistake from the beginning, but I’ll admit I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed.Are people really going to think that the disqualification of Joost was a mistake if the court drops the case? Surely the fans are smarter than that. The disqualification was primarily based on what the organization thought about his behaviour. Just like when people are fired in private companies (such as in MeToo cases).