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The [r] and [ʀ] are both common in the Netherlands and are seen as standard. Other pronunciations like [ʁ] are seen as dialectal.I wonder if is his 'French' pronunciation of 'r' [ʀ] is common in Dutch-language pop music/arts or perceived as dialectal?!
In German [r] has been strongly recessive for at least fifty years (it had been in gradual decline before) but parts of Frisia, where also Low Saxon is still widespread, rank among the regions where people typically have retained that alveolar trill. Which is why I was surprised also because [ʀ] sounds so much more distinctive than [ʁ] (most prevalent realisation of /r/ in Germany nowadays). I find it really cool in songs though.The [r] and [ʀ] are both common in the Netherlands and are seen as standard. Other pronunciations like [ʁ] are seen as dialectal.
I know, I can only pronounce the [ʁ] and that’s why I often get the question if I’m German (I’m Dutch).In German [r] has been strongly recessive for at least fifty years (it had been in gradual decline before) but parts of Frisia, where also Low Saxon is still widespread, rank among the regions where people typically have retained that alveolar trill. Which is why I was surprised also because [ʀ] sounds so much more distinctive than [ʁ] (most prevalent realisation of /r/ in Germany nowadays). I find it really cool in songs though.
For me [ʀ] is no problem on its own or within a single word. However, if I had to use it all the time I would think I scratch my uvula bloody. (Apparently it is also considered acceptable in German but I do not recall ever hearing somebody speak like that.) Can you master a 'proper' Dutch /g/? As that sounds even deeper down the throat and more difficult.I know, I can only pronounce the [ʁ] and that’s why I often get the question if I’m German (I’m Dutch).
Can you master a 'proper' Dutch /g/? As that sounds even deeper down the throat and more difficult.
No, I can’t really pronounce that either without feeling like my throat is on fire.For me [ʀ] is no problem on its own or within a single word. However, if I had to use it all the time I would think I scratch my uvula bloody. (Apparently it is also considered acceptable in German but I do not recall ever hearing somebody speak like that.) Can you master a 'proper' Dutch /g/? As that sounds even deeper down the throat and more difficult.
My g is like this one, but very soft. It’s the same g as in Flanders, but they pronounce it quite strongly here. It causes misunderstandings sometimes, especially in oog - oor.Aye, as Boris said, do the "g" as in "ich" instead of "ach". It's much more comfortable for your throat, had the same problems when I started learning Dutch, but that's what my Dutch teacher told me to do. It's the variant they speak around Limburg (and apparently in Flemish as well?) I think.