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United Kingdom UNITED KINGDOM 2025 - Remember Monday - What The Hell Just Happened?
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theditz83
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Wonder if another Monday will go by with the BBC forgetting to Remember Monday...
Anyone ever seen this guy live? This little bop has been looping on my Spotify over the past year, and if he can deliver live he'd be a nice option to consider for the future...
Anyone ever seen this guy live? This little bop has been looping on my Spotify over the past year, and if he can deliver live he'd be a nice option to consider for the future...
BBC has banned Kant from BBC Radio…
They can’t not show it live in May because that could lead to a ban
They can’t not show it live in May because that could lead to a ban
Ted Talks
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I honestly doubt it was going to get played regardless of the word controversy.
The BBC does not on the whole play Eurovision songs on the radio - bar Bucks Fizz, ABBA and Loreen these days - let alone the 2025 Malta entry. Some others get airplay, but in May and May alone every year.
2023 was slightly different as it was on home soil, but Kant was never going to get airplay this year.
I’d like the BBC to take a proper stand on the C-word conundrum with Malta, but then that would require the EBU to not play stupid to the issue knowing how it comes across in English speaking countries…
The British national final voters pick scooch, Daz Sampson, Andy Abraham, surie, etc. that’s why the BBC take the decision away from the people the the powers that be know so much better than the people that’s why they select acts internally like electro velvet, mae muller, olly Alexander, and James Newman….Why is UK doing it like this? Why not have a proper national final with 30 entries and let people decide? I'm actually asking because i don't know their national final history and why they decided to do it this way.
The bbc got lucky with Sam Ryder… I have no faith in the bbc and how they select songs. That’s why I am praying for a new broadcaster to take over (not that the bbc will let ESC go despite the annual national humiliation)
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Why is UK doing it like this? Why not have a proper national final with 30 entries and let people decide? I'm actually asking because i don't know their national final history and why they decided to do it this way.
Because our NFs have not pulled in good viewing figures for a very long time. Not to mention the British public don't have a great record at picking the best option - although we must recognise the fact that since the late 90s our NFs were filled with mediocre filler songs, or trash joke songs, epitomising what people think are the worst cliches of Eurovision so people didn't have much good to pick from to begin with.
Funnily enough though, whenever my parents speak of Eurovision they always mention way back in the day (70s and such) the NFs were always either really big grand shows or a famous singers selected internally with multiple songs for people to vote on. So there is history there, albeit old. TBH if the BBC really wanted to, they could easily commit to a brand and establish it in the same way contests like MGP, MF, sanremo etc have been for decades. They just don't any budget a NF would get would be crumbs and NF 'brand' in our past was either trash or didn't last long enough to become a recognised respected show.
I mean it worked for Malta
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Why is UK doing it like this? Why not have a proper national final with 30 entries and let people decide? I'm actually asking because i don't know their national final history and why they decided to do it this way.
It's because in the past the BBC have put forward only terrible songs for the UK to choose from, and on the rare occasion we do have a really good song, the British people doesn't pick it.
Furthermore, whenever the BBC decide themselves and whoever they delegate it to, they are also quite useless at picking the UK entries.
So basically we're kinda screwed either way.
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Another element to this is that the NFs are more in the shape of reality TV/TV talent shows like X Factor and Pop Idol rather than really being a music event; the broadcaster and show's producers are more concerned about making a good bit of mid-week TV moreso than finding an act to win Eurovision.
As such the people making those shows are more interested in finding people that make for better television over being a better act. Thankfully not in a way that is as exploitative as X Factor and the like, however, a greater focus is put on backstories and sob stories from the contestants rather than just letting them sing their songs. And a focus is then placed on snappy quips from celeb' judging panels who baffling have a say in it where as in other selection shows they're just there for entertainment. All singing songs that came second-hand by someone who either competed in the contest half a decade prior or was cast-off from a current contestant. As god forbid the artists taking part would sing their own material!
It is hardly a surprise that Michael Rice won his year as he is the only one who came across as a nice and likeable person. Same with SuRie and the less said about the hatchet job that went into fixing Andy Abrahams getting into it the better.
All the acts that do these shows are good or make a song that is "nice" enough, but they aren't competitive. Because they are selected to be good enough for a wet Thursday evening show some random week in February that will do ok in the TV ratings in that timeslot. And is made up of whatever music TV Exec thinks is popular with the masses. An opinion formed by whatever they saw on The Voice or BGT a few months ago and whatever happens to be on the top 40 NOW album they bought a summer or three ago.
And the screwy thing to me is that the BBC has the tools and connections to do it all better. They just don't have the staff that want to take a risk and do something that isn't TV or "Eurovision Friendly"
As such the people making those shows are more interested in finding people that make for better television over being a better act. Thankfully not in a way that is as exploitative as X Factor and the like, however, a greater focus is put on backstories and sob stories from the contestants rather than just letting them sing their songs. And a focus is then placed on snappy quips from celeb' judging panels who baffling have a say in it where as in other selection shows they're just there for entertainment. All singing songs that came second-hand by someone who either competed in the contest half a decade prior or was cast-off from a current contestant. As god forbid the artists taking part would sing their own material!
It is hardly a surprise that Michael Rice won his year as he is the only one who came across as a nice and likeable person. Same with SuRie and the less said about the hatchet job that went into fixing Andy Abrahams getting into it the better.
All the acts that do these shows are good or make a song that is "nice" enough, but they aren't competitive. Because they are selected to be good enough for a wet Thursday evening show some random week in February that will do ok in the TV ratings in that timeslot. And is made up of whatever music TV Exec thinks is popular with the masses. An opinion formed by whatever they saw on The Voice or BGT a few months ago and whatever happens to be on the top 40 NOW album they bought a summer or three ago.
And the screwy thing to me is that the BBC has the tools and connections to do it all better. They just don't have the staff that want to take a risk and do something that isn't TV or "Eurovision Friendly"
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Well if this reported ‘leak’ is the real deal, then beige is being polite.
Boring is more appropriate.
https://x.com/TaskMovies/status/1891873083956338836
Boring is more appropriate.
https://x.com/TaskMovies/status/1891873083956338836
That’s an AI generated video - they’ve taken the lyrics from Israel’s 2000 entry and put it into an AI generator along with a generic sounding trackWell if this reported ‘leak’ is the real deal, then beige is being polite.
Boring is more appropriate.
https://x.com/TaskMovies/status/1891873083956338836
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Well thank goodness for that! I don’t know what’s worse, someone making an AI song to fool people or those getting fooled.
For my sake, I’ll say the former.
RainyWoods
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Well thank goodness for that! I don’t know what’s worse, someone making an AI song to fool people or those getting fooled.
For my sake, I’ll say the former.
To be fair, I would have been fooled too probably... until the "I want a cucumber" lyric. I mean, it's the BBC but I don't think they've lost it up there that much... yet. If this year goes wrong, we might indeed have to look into bringing vegetables to the table.
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I clearly dozed off before the cucumber got mentioned!
Well thank goodness for that! I don’t know what’s worse, someone making an AI song to fool people or those getting fooled.
For my sake, I’ll say the former.
Serves you right for not knowing the masterpiece that is Israel 2000
I say BE HAPPY!
https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2025/invite-to-the-big-eurovision-party
7th of March.
iirc Ollys entry was announced the same day as this show aired on the BBC last year.
7th of March.
iirc Ollys entry was announced the same day as this show aired on the BBC last year.
Wild to me that they’d put this on so late at nighthttps://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2025/invite-to-the-big-eurovision-party
7th of March.
iirc Ollys entry was announced the same day as this show aired on the BBC last year.
