Speculate: Fishiness of 2021

[Loindici]

Fishiness of 2021

Speculate what suspicious actions you think went behind the curtains of Eurovision 2021!​

 

[Loindici]

As example:

Kirkorov, and Bulgaria-Moldova jury 12 exchange.

 

[VirginiaVision]

I don't know if this fits the prompt, but...

San Marino might have had a Keiino-situation in the jury final. Apparently, the rotating platform didn't stop rotating as it was supposed to. This forced the "artists" (unclear who) to jump off the moving platform, which 1) is dangerous; 2) meant their choreography got thrown off. Juries were allegedly not informed of this malfunction, and San Marino did not get a do-over performance.

I'm not saying this definitely had an effect, but it certainly could have.

Source (hope I won't be crucified for citing Wiwibloggs ): https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/22/s...rs-senhit-during-eurovision-jury-show/265440/

 

[Lance Esgard]

For me the serious answer is whether there were individual jurors who might have downgraded Israel because of recent events that had nothing to with Eden.

Also what went on behind-the-scenes regarding decisions about prerecorded backing vocals and the use of the virtual applause via the Eurovision App.

 

[Loindici]

and the use of the virtual applause via the Eurovision App.

Seriously, those clap buttons really didn't add anything but psychologically trick people of supporting their faves. Whose idea was that?

 

[Loindici]

I don't know if this fits the prompt, but...

San Marino might have had a Keiino-situation in the jury final. Apparently, the rotating platform didn't stop rotating as it was supposed to. This forced the "artists" (unclear who) to jump off the moving platform, which 1) is dangerous; 2) meant their choreography got thrown off. Juries were allegedly not informed of this malfunction, and San Marino did not get a do-over performance.

I'm not saying this definitely had an effect, but it certainly could have.

Source (hope I won't be crucified for citing Wiwibloggs ): https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/22/s...rs-senhit-during-eurovision-jury-show/265440/

Poor San Marino, I though something like this won't happen again

Plus, Stan RTV San Marino! A small broadcaster, but with a lot of spunk

 

[ZoboCamel]

The fact that a full eight countries in SF2 gave their televoting 12 to Moldova seems a bit... questionable. I can understand some songs doing better than pre-contest predictions, but a song with that performance being placed first by half of the countries in the semi? It does smell a little sus to me.

 

[Loindici]

The fact that a full eight countries in SF2 gave their televoting 12 to Moldova seems a bit... questionable. I can understand some songs doing better than pre-contest predictions, but a song with that performance being placed first by half of the countries in the semi? It does smell a little sus to me.

I cannot find a proper explanation except for Kirkorov probably buying televotes from these countries he didn't do the same to Greece because Natalia is his sugar baby and Stefania is too far in the Netherlands to be in that position

 

[RainyWoods]

The fact that a full eight countries in SF2 gave their televoting 12 to Moldova seems a bit... questionable. I can understand some songs doing better than pre-contest predictions, but a song with that performance being placed first by half of the countries in the semi? It does smell a little sus to me.

All the countries that gave Moldova 12 in their televote during the semis followed by what was delivered in the final from them:

→ 12
→ 8
→ 7
→ 6
→ 0 (19th)
→ 0 (11th)
→ 0 (21st)
→ 0 (22nd)

 

[lavieenrose]

All the countries that gave Moldova 12 in their televote during the semis followed by what was delivered in the final from them:

→ 12
→ 8
→ 7
→ 6
→ 0 (19th)
→ 0 (11th)
→ 0 (21st)
→ 0 (22nd)

The fact that it's these 8 honestly makes me a bit less Sauce Pitches [sic]. If I wanted to McMillions the Eurovision televote, my targets would be small countries that barely have a televote at all (or don't, even), and while there's some of that here (everyone's favorite S&M), there are some countries where that would be tough, like France, Greece, and Serbia.

 

[RainyWoods]

The fact that it's these 8 honestly makes me a bit less Sauce Pitches [sic]. If I wanted to cheat the Eurovision televote, my targets would be small countries that barely have a televote at all (or don't, even), and while there's some of that here (everyone's favorite S&M), there are some countries where that would be tough, like France, Greece, and Serbia.

That's a fair point. With France for instance I did put things down to taste. How though did Moldova with this song and this performance (as unintentionally funny as it was) end up receiving the most televote 12s across both the semis, and how do you go from being a country's favourite song to their 22nd favourite song? I'm wearing my tinfoil hat right now and I think it looks rather snazzy on me.

 

[NeoTen]

getting 9th and 10th in their semi but still out is a first if I recall right. The Swedish and Norwegian Jurors have some explaining to do I think, you can't both give Ireland one point and tank Croatia consistently among the jurors, it isn't organic, when similar songs get placed ~5. Even the televoters didn't pull that one. Did they try to better their chances by executing croatia?

Did the producers read the televoting, saw that 90% of her votes were from Western Europe? Even if, the winning songs always get a decent place. It's fair and deserved. If you speculate like an evil villain, I think the producers or just didn't like that song, or saw her interaction with the critics and thought "she's not marketable" or agree and/or know the actual amount of votes starting last in the semis can give, and they're influencing the results by trying to steer public opinion. This would be dodgy af.

If I was Interpol, I'd track Kirkorov right now. How did Moldova get 4th in the televote? You'd have to hack 500k to 1m of telephones. You can't tell me the same public gave Czechia 0 points but let this through.
The juries in general, some stuff just is too sketchy. There is the trend of these juries, tanking similar acts. Ukraine and Russia almost boycotting eachother. San Marino and Poland trading 20 points in the semi. Those hotel rooms must be House of Cards-like.

 

[lavieenrose]

That's a fair point. With France for instance I did put things down to taste. How though did Moldova with this song and this performance (as unintentionally funny as it was) end up receiving the most televote 12s across both the semis, and how do you go from being a country's favourite song to their 22nd favourite song? I'm wearing my tinfoil hat right now and I think it looks rather snazzy on me.

Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely think this is somewhat Sauce Pitches. It just seems like a bizarre way to go about cheating for someone whose approach to the other aspects of Esk is so...clinical. In the Sauce Pitches corner for me as well is that while iTunes downloads were a p good predictor of how songs would do overall, they sorta-kinda missed Moldova. A well-performed song I can understand voting for but no one buying, but I would've guessed that SUCH a poorly-performed one would do better on the charts than in Eurovision.

 

[hawadharma]

I don't know if this fits the prompt, but...

San Marino might have had a Keiino-situation in the jury final. Apparently, the rotating platform didn't stop rotating as it was supposed to. This forced the "artists" (unclear who) to jump off the moving platform, which 1) is dangerous; 2) meant their choreography got thrown off. Juries were allegedly not informed of this malfunction, and San Marino did not get a do-over performance.

I'm not saying this definitely had an effect, but it certainly could have.

Source (hope I won't be crucified for citing Wiwibloggs ): https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/22/s...rs-senhit-during-eurovision-jury-show/265440/

Was there any malfunction during KEiiNO's performance?

 

[Loindici]

getting 9th and 10th in their semi but still out is a first if I recall right. The Swedish and Norwegian Jurors have some explaining to do I think, you can't both give Ireland one point and tank Croatia consistently among the jurors, it isn't organic, when similar songs get placed ~5. Even the televoters didn't pull that one. Did they try to better their chances by executing croatia?

My suspicion already started when they didn't announce the juror list publicly. Trece and I disagreed on this, with him arguing it's easier to 'ask' for points with the list undisclosed, while I feel it's sacrificing transparency and easier to build narrative or even 'ask' for points this way.

Although why would you specifically point to Swedish and Norwegian juries if let's say other juries might have a chance to do the same?

 

[Loindici]

Was there any malfunction during KEiiNO's performance?

Wikipedia's article:

"During Norway's jury performance, two technical issues occurred in a short time. The screen became black while Keiino performed "Spirit In The Sky". When the picture returned the camera operator was seen in the picture. NRK complained to EBU and requested a new run through, but the EBU rejected the complaints."

 

[Realest]

and had a Jurydeal as well.

 

[rasmuslights]

OK I also did a thread not knowing it already existed.

I'm sure the Dream Team cheated in some form.. not sure how but they did, especially televote-wise..

for example we Slovenia gave Greece 8 televote scores... And I've yet to see a comment on RTV page that has over 1000 that would have Greece as his/her favorite... There is no logical explanation... and I'm usually against these speculations but clearly, something was going on...

Greece had more televotes than Malta this also makes zero sense...

The even bigger evil here is Moldova who clearly cheated... there's just no way that it finished over some other countries.. sorry but no..

 

[NeoTen]

My suspicion already started when they didn't announce the juror list publicly. Trece and I disagreed on this, with him arguing it's easier to 'ask' for points with the list undisclosed, while I feel it's sacrificing transparency and easier to build narrative or even 'ask' for points this way.

Although why would you specifically point to Swedish and Norwegian juries if let's say other juries might have a chance to do the same?

I know the Swedish and Norwegian juries their music tastes better, that along with checking their social media and own work, in 40% of the cases they've produced and sung this type of song. That and cross-checking patterns in voting only points to them + the Netherlands having an abnormal amount of agreement in voting while coming from very different backgrounds.

 

[rasmuslights]

I think has nothing to do with the juries though some of them were fishy as well...

I'm more concerned with the televote clearly being tempered with in some countries.