NSC 243 in Zombira #Confirmations DDL 24.08

[SpZ]

 

[Ekholmia]

Entry sent.

 

[SpZ]

Public service announcement: I find it very annoying when people send entries that have been in nsc before without checking the database. If someone sends something that can be easily found on the database (it is not a case or cover/remix, wrongly labeled artists, etc), I plan not to allow a late entry change and do plan to simply disqualify the Nation for failing to send an eligible entry.

There is at least a person who has already sent in such ineligible entry. Therefore, if you do not feel like being disqualified, please check the database before sending an entry. If you already sent an entry without checking the database - I recommend checking it now to find out if you might be the person about to be disqualified.

 

[Rmetr0]

initial confirmation was a bit rushed – been thinking between two options (sent as a main entry and alternative), then started thinking between four and were considering holding a quick spontaneous NF, and finally ended up sending the 5th option that finally feels right

we believe, it's a risky choice, but the main thing is that it resonates A LOT with public and it won't be too sad to flop with that one... but we'll see where it leads us, I guess

 

[Ewigkeit]

Public service announcement: I find it very annoying when people send entries that have been in nsc before without checking the database. If someone sends something that can be easily found on the database (it is not a case or cover/remix, wrongly labeled artists, etc), I plan not to allow a late entry change and do plan to simply disqualify the Nation for failing to send an eligible entry.

There is at least a person who has already sent in such ineligible entry. Therefore, if you do not feel like being disqualified, please check the database before sending an entry. If you already sent an entry without checking the database - I recommend checking it now to find out if you might be the person about to be disqualified.

Wasn't a member just recently kicked from the NSC roster because of their sharp tongue? I find the host's condescending and scolding tone very disturbing. Before the contest has even started, we are being threatened with disqualification. It's unclear whether we're taking part in a song contest edition for fun or if we're in the military being rebuked by a superior officer.

Nowhere under the "3. ENTRIES" section of the NSC Rules thread does it say: "The host may disqualify a previously-entered song or a song whose cover has previously competed without giving any feedback to the NSC member." There are thousands of songs in the world with covers, and these covers don't always carry the same title as the original. Naturally, some of these cases might escape people's attention. I myself checked the database to see if my song (or its possible covers or original version) had already competed. But I don't want to be left guessing like it's a coin toss, not knowing if my entry will be confirmed or disqualified at the end of the confirmation period.

I urge that this approach be abandoned immediately, and that the nations whose entries are confirmed be listed in the confirmation thread. I also call on the NSC moderation to take action regarding the host's scolding tone.

 

[berlyda]

I agree that this is not an appropriate way to handle this situation (I had already expressed this on Discord but I would like to state it publicly here too).

There's nothing in the rules that says the host must inform participants if their entry is invalid, and @SpZ I understand your frustration, but it's rather mean-spirited to purposefully withhold this knowledge...

 

[SpZ]

Wasn't a member just recently kicked from the NSC roster because of their sharp tongue? I find the host's condescending and scolding tone very disturbing. Before the contest has even started, we are being threatened with disqualification. It's unclear whether we're taking part in a song contest edition for fun or if we're in the military being rebuked by a superior officer.

Nowhere under the "3. ENTRIES" section of the NSC Rules thread does it say: "The host may disqualify a previously-entered song or a song whose cover has previously competed without giving any feedback to the NSC member." There are thousands of songs in the world with covers, and these covers don't always carry the same title as the original. Naturally, some of these cases might escape people's attention. I myself checked the database to see if my song (or its possible covers or original version) had already competed. But I don't want to be left guessing like it's a coin toss, not knowing if my entry will be confirmed or disqualified at the end of the confirmation period.

I urge that this approach be abandoned immediately, and that the nations whose entries are confirmed be listed in the confirmation thread. I also call on the NSC moderation to take action regarding the host's scolding tone.

I love that you construct your argument on the issue of covers while it was explicitly mentioned that this policy is not about covers. It is totally normal to expect people to send valid entries and reject entries that are not valid.

 

[Ewigkeit]

I love that you construct your argument on the issue of covers while it was explicitly mentioned that this policy is not about covers. It is totally normal to expect people to send valid entries and reject entries that are not valid.

Yes, I missed the part in parentheses in your post. Still, I believe that you can't just "disqualify" members at your own discretion, nor can you speak to anyone in such a scolding tone. At the very least, I still stand by my arguments on these two points.

 

[Fearnavigatr]

There's nothing in the rules that says the host must inform participants if their entry is invalid

There is, 6.3 says it quite explicitly:

3. It is up to the host to make sure all entries and votes are correct and valid. The host should reply to confirm all correctly received entries and votes and should inform the entrant when a received entry or vote is invalid or incorrect.

Now, this rule could probably do with some rewriting to put more responsibility on the sender in checking eligibility, but its main purpose is not leaving contestants in the dark if mistakes or song/artist clashes are found, giving them a chance to rectify it.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

If a country in ESC sends an inappropriate song to the host/ebu they're not left in the dark until the submission date comes around. I don't see why it should be any different in NSC.

 

[Territrius]

thank god this is the edition in which I decided to send a 5 day old song

 

[berlyda]

There is, 6.3 says it quite explicitly:

Aha, excellent! That is very clear indeed. I did not remember that last part being there. Then @SpZ please inform whoever it is that their entry is invalid.

 

[takeru]

IIRC the rule stating that the host must confirm all PMs was one of the very first rule amendments, after someone claimed to have sent votes to NSC 1 but they got “lost” in a forum error. (I think this later also turned out to be not true… but anyway…)

Just some fun old fart NSC lore for you!

Nation Song Contest 1 - Nation Song Contest

Nation Song Contest 1 was the first edition of the Nation Song Contest and was held in Crnovac, the capital city of Arjastan. 9 nations took part in this debut contest...

nationsongcontest.miraheze.org

 

[soundofsilence]

thank god this is the edition in which I decided to send a 5 day old song

Interestingly, I sent my 241 entry the day it was released, and my current entry only has 43 views on Youtube!

 

[SpZ]

1. Might have had a few too many drinks yesterday while messaging at night and the tone of the message did not end up the most ideal.
2. The person mentioned have been informed of the issue
3. However, the general point is still valid - participants should take the 30 seconds to look up if their entry has been entered before and make sure that they enter something eligible to not create extra work for the host.
4. In my opinion, there is clear need to change NSC rules regarding these issues and I am going to start a rules change discussion on that topic.

 

[soundofsilence]

6.3 says it quite explicitly:

*3.3, rule 6.3 is the anti-loophole one

 

[Fearnavigatr]

*3.3, rule 6.3 is the anti-loophole one

No, it's definitely 6.3.
3.3 is the rule that prohibits entering songs from Eurovision and related events.

 

[soundofsilence]

No, it's definitely 6.3.
3.3 is the rule that prohibits entering songs from Eurovision and related events.

Hold up, I’m gonna check

Edit: you’re right! I mistook it for 7.3

 

[Rmetr0]

I get the point @SpZ is trying to make, and I personally check database, miraheze and sometimes even search on Google before sending entries.

But honestly, I believe it's normal for a host to check all the songs they received to see whether they had participated before or not and inform the participants if they sent such songs. I do that even with the freshly released ones when I host, just in case. I don't think it's possible to eliminate the possibility of someone sending something previously entered even if you ask to check database themselves.

That's just my opinion tho, not intended to create more conflict, and if such things are up to the hosts, then I can accept that, I guess..

 

[SpZ]

Some additional information regarding the edition:

• Everyone who have received either a thumbs up or a confirmation banner has their entry confirmed
• This edition's visual theme will be centered on contrasting neon colors on black background & movement
• In addition to the option of sending in a recap part request, you may also optionally send in requests for banner embellishments. In case you are interested in it, then the following info is relevant.
  • All entries will have a similar repeating banner that has a set main design (that will not be changed).
  • Some of the banners will have display variations with embellishments. Not all of the banners will have those and many banners will only have the main design repeating. An example of what I mean by all of this can be found below in the spoiler section
  • In case you would like to have an alternative display variation on your banner, you can send me a link to the image (or in some specific cases things like short graphical videos may also work) you are requesting on your banner. If possible, I will add them, but I may reject requests based on reasons like (but not limited to) the request not following the (creative) requirements, the request being not technically easily feasible with the tools I am using, simply having too little time (it is more likely that I will accept requests that come early)
  • Requirements:
    • You should link to an image with decent quality that is downloadable and has no watermarks, etc.
    • The image should have either transparent or black/very dark background and should feature neon/bright colours. In general, if the image is more a background image type of thing, the darkness is important and if it is more of an image that goes on the banner as a decorative element, the brightness is important.
    • The image should have a connection to your nation or the sent entry. But they should not be a literal picture of your performer or something similar.
    • In general the images should not be real photos, but rather graphical elements, drawn icons/pictures or similar. A.I. generated things are in general fine.

As Sakuralia has publicly posted their entry in their topic, it is not spoiling the entry. The first repeating cycles are the main ones that everyone have and the alternative repeats are examples of the type of embellishments banners might receive.