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Germany GERMANY 2021 - Jendrik Sigwart - I Don't Feel Hate
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Lindon
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Cesár Sampson was in the show 2018.
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I LOVE HIS CHARISMA...PERSONALITY AND SONG
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Really good performance! He will rock it in May!
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Yes, as I said, your approach is absolutely the better one out of us two. I usually act like this, too, but there’s only so much BS a girl can take. Especially when it kinda concerns you personally.I do understand your point of view about some users here acting like musical hypocrites and believing they can decide between good and bad music. I would have been pissed (sorry, or not sorry) reading those statements years before, but by now I now that there are always users believing they are divine creatures that know better. I just take it rather the easy way because we CAN'T change them. So my credo is to ignore these people.I feel sorry for many artists who get bashed by such people, but Jendrik should know what can happen. It was his choice to be a part of ESC and I truly hope that his lovely soul (that is what he is) will take it lightly and that there are enough people around him that encourage him to continue.
The thing is; these QuEeNs don’t even realise that without the cooks, the people in their plastic castle would starve and the castle would crumble. If you want the big star chefs, maybe start by actually respecting the small ones who are brave enough to attend your toxic circus.
No sane person would ever actively search up music they don’t like and hate on it, but in the context of the ESC, they feel this weird obsession of judging every single entry and if it doesn’t fit their own likings (in all kinds of aspects apparently – hurrdurr, gib context pls, you aren’t open enough about your private life, sir, let me leech!), oh boy, here comes the glorious rant full of musical nonsense and goals they themselves set on this entry instead of actually focusing on the musician’s intentions. Because it’s just so easy to be a phony, to be Fat Uncle Fritz.
Dislike a song all you want, but at least make sense while doing so.
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I mean, MAYBE we (as mostly queer people, I assume - not trying to exclude anyone obvs) should be more focused on actually supporting a homosexual artist who receives shitloads of hate (inserted with homophobic slurs as seen a few pages earlier) for just ya know having the audacity to enter Eurovision with something ... let`s call it unconventional. The ESC fandom likes to wear it`s assumed inclusiveness like a badge of honor but in moments like these you really see that at the end of the day you basically get thrown under the bus if you don`t fit in.
Thing is: You don`t have to like everything and you are free to share your opinion (especially on here - it`s a forum after all) but honestly do some people think before they post something?
Thing is: You don`t have to like everything and you are free to share your opinion (especially on here - it`s a forum after all) but honestly do some people think before they post something?
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Clearly not what I said, reading comprehension not found. But I called some people out on their BS. Doesn't feel nice, right? Just as nice as people saying stuff like "Youtubers should stick do Youtube, they don't belong to the ESC, I know what true music is". Take a taste of your own medicine.
Don't be so harsh to yourself ...
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Nathan Trent 2017 as well.
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I didn't like the performance at all. All his jumping, running, spinning, tap dancing is very irritating to me.
A pity he lip-synced (which is not unusual for a show like that). I'm curious if he will be able to perform this way without sounding out of breath.
I hope he will get some props on stage in May. That performance was very underwhelming.
A pity he lip-synced (which is not unusual for a show like that). I'm curious if he will be able to perform this way without sounding out of breath.
I hope he will get some props on stage in May. That performance was very underwhelming.
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@Franzilein Hey, what's with referring to people as QuEeNs and painting those that don't like the song and have been quite strongly (overly so in your opinion obviously) vocal as the "But yaaas, Queen, go on and slaaaay" type? You're seemingly using it as a mocking tool for those you have a problem with here and yet who specifically fits this stereotype? One member even told you that's not what they're like. You're consistently slipping things like this into your posts and it kind of comes off as derogatory which you can argue I guess of it being a taste of their own medicine, except you're using a gay stereotype to mock.... which is just odd? I wouldn't say I'm offended but more intrigued to find out why?
We can all afford to be more careful and thoughtful perhaps with the things we say. There's probably not a person here who hasn't posted an opinion that they wouldn't say to the artist or songwriter if met with them face to face, but then this is a fan forum. We're here to talk about the music, and personally I choose to come here because I enjoy reading what people I've become familiar and friendly with think about songs.
JamieBrown said something complimentary about me yesterday, along the lines of wishing that more were like me when it came to writing about songs, and whilst yes, I do make sure to always stress what I say as being my personal opinion, I felt I wasn't worthy of that praise. I know I can get out of hand too at times. It's something I have thought of on more than one occasion, even after writing about Jendrik's song here. I love talking about music with other people and when I write on this forum I don't think of it as being a public space when it of course actually is one. To me it's more like I'm having a chat with a big group of friends. I'd never go onto an artists social media account to share a negative opinion with regards to their work, but yet I of course do that here, and sometimes quite (occasionally very) harshly. It's food for thought. Anyone could end up reading it and I certainly wouldn't want them to.
I agree with you Franzilein that the fandom has become very toxic, and there are areas where we can and should improve. I'd say though that you only have to spend a couple of minutes on twitter, give a quick glance at a youtube chatbox or go onto Wiwibloggs to realise it's a hefty tonne worse elsewhere. Knowing for instance what Aksel experienced last year when he beat Erika and this year now seeing it all happen again with TIX defeating KEiiNO. It is disgusting. It makes you feel so embarrassed as a fan. I can understand your anger cause I've felt it too, but are those expressing their strong dislike for the song here on our forum really worthy of it? I think Mauve has got the right idea. Staying cooler and more collected now and then you can have the last laugh this May if Jendrik does well. Making personal attacks won't bring the change you want. Going tit for tat seldom ever works, and besides, it's the complete opposite advice to what's given in Jendrik's song which you enjoy.
We can all afford to be more careful and thoughtful perhaps with the things we say. There's probably not a person here who hasn't posted an opinion that they wouldn't say to the artist or songwriter if met with them face to face, but then this is a fan forum. We're here to talk about the music, and personally I choose to come here because I enjoy reading what people I've become familiar and friendly with think about songs.
JamieBrown said something complimentary about me yesterday, along the lines of wishing that more were like me when it came to writing about songs, and whilst yes, I do make sure to always stress what I say as being my personal opinion, I felt I wasn't worthy of that praise. I know I can get out of hand too at times. It's something I have thought of on more than one occasion, even after writing about Jendrik's song here. I love talking about music with other people and when I write on this forum I don't think of it as being a public space when it of course actually is one. To me it's more like I'm having a chat with a big group of friends. I'd never go onto an artists social media account to share a negative opinion with regards to their work, but yet I of course do that here, and sometimes quite (occasionally very) harshly. It's food for thought. Anyone could end up reading it and I certainly wouldn't want them to.
I agree with you Franzilein that the fandom has become very toxic, and there are areas where we can and should improve. I'd say though that you only have to spend a couple of minutes on twitter, give a quick glance at a youtube chatbox or go onto Wiwibloggs to realise it's a hefty tonne worse elsewhere. Knowing for instance what Aksel experienced last year when he beat Erika and this year now seeing it all happen again with TIX defeating KEiiNO. It is disgusting. It makes you feel so embarrassed as a fan. I can understand your anger cause I've felt it too, but are those expressing their strong dislike for the song here on our forum really worthy of it? I think Mauve has got the right idea. Staying cooler and more collected now and then you can have the last laugh this May if Jendrik does well. Making personal attacks won't bring the change you want. Going tit for tat seldom ever works, and besides, it's the complete opposite advice to what's given in Jendrik's song which you enjoy.
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I watched the semi-'live' performance and I turned it off mid-way. There is a fine line between being likable and being irritating. He behaves like that annoying class monitor that is so eager to please with his sanguine positivity. I know we are going through a pandemic now and I like myself a positive and upbeat song. But in most times, quoting the Spice Girls, "Too Much of something is bad enough". He's cute, I give it to him. But the whole package is just such a turn-off. He is like Nathan Trent on happy drugs (and I really like Nathan Trent). The saving grace of the song is really the brass drop.
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That one I must have missed. Thank you. I usually don't watch the show at all.
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I get why the song might be disliked in terms of music or even lyrics.
I get why his performance might be disliked.
I get why his voice might be disliked.
But lashing out at his looks or character and thus his behaviour is a big NO GO.
It’s not true he doesn’t have a backstory that gives him the right to sing about such a topic (He does! And even if he didn’t... does every musician singing about serious topics ever have?).
It’s not true he doesn’t support minorities. Hell, in a way he even belongs to one!
And last but not least, the song isn’t solely about him! It’s for everyone on earth who ever experienced hate which probably all or at least most of us did at one point.
So, yes, you ARE entitled to hate the song or performance but don’t hate on the good cause, his looks or his character / behaviour.
He IS one shiny happy guy, so what? Some are reserved, some are more outgoing, he is excited and full of energy but is it a bad thing? I don’t think so. He‘s not the typical eccentric like some artists we‘ve had in the past. Wearing a glitter jacket and platinum blond hair doesn’t make you the fancy „wonder-bread onlyfans twink“ ("someone" here called him) - which is very disrespectful, by the way.
He‘s just having fun while trying to address a serious topic.
Talking about his Silbereisen performance yesterday: the "cheerleader" girls are part of every Silbereisen show and are thankfully not a part of Jendrik‘s staging. Didn’t like them. But I loved how he was jumping around and that his friends are the supporting acts on stage. Not sure about the middlefinger though, because it might be misunderstood by people who are not familiar with the lyrics. We will see. But he did a great job!
I get why his performance might be disliked.
I get why his voice might be disliked.
But lashing out at his looks or character and thus his behaviour is a big NO GO.
It’s not true he doesn’t have a backstory that gives him the right to sing about such a topic (He does! And even if he didn’t... does every musician singing about serious topics ever have?).
It’s not true he doesn’t support minorities. Hell, in a way he even belongs to one!
And last but not least, the song isn’t solely about him! It’s for everyone on earth who ever experienced hate which probably all or at least most of us did at one point.
So, yes, you ARE entitled to hate the song or performance but don’t hate on the good cause, his looks or his character / behaviour.
He IS one shiny happy guy, so what? Some are reserved, some are more outgoing, he is excited and full of energy but is it a bad thing? I don’t think so. He‘s not the typical eccentric like some artists we‘ve had in the past. Wearing a glitter jacket and platinum blond hair doesn’t make you the fancy „wonder-bread onlyfans twink“ ("someone" here called him) - which is very disrespectful, by the way.
He‘s just having fun while trying to address a serious topic.
Talking about his Silbereisen performance yesterday: the "cheerleader" girls are part of every Silbereisen show and are thankfully not a part of Jendrik‘s staging. Didn’t like them. But I loved how he was jumping around and that his friends are the supporting acts on stage. Not sure about the middlefinger though, because it might be misunderstood by people who are not familiar with the lyrics. We will see. But he did a great job!
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I would love to see this applied to every artist in this circus called ESC, but when I read certain comments in certain threads